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Saving A Girl From The Railway Station (Retrieval)

9/18/2023

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Date: 14-Apr-2023

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After exit with some struggle I stood before a door as expected and waited instead of going through myself (which was the initial plan to use a door portal to meet my Retrieval Team from the other side).

I did not have to wait a long time though. A tall young lady appeared. She had blonde hair and was at least two heads taller than me it seemed. She introduced herself as being from a Nordic (Scandinavian) country. When I asked her name she somehow denied the answer or did not react to it.

Instead she said we have not much time, only 15 minutes or so or that she is  only available in 15 minutes for a longer talk with me. Anyhow, so she explains to me almost in passing that we have to go first to the  railway station because that is where the children often are who need help. This first confuses me because I cannot understand why children might die at railway stations so often (remembering my retrieval with the drowned kids at the seaside or lake which made more sense to me
since little kids drowning happens more often than kids being run over by a train at a station).

Of course, so I join her on her quest and strangely we do not arrive at a kind of railway station first but somehow in the staircase area of a multi-storey highrise building as it seems.

She does not use the stairs or an elevator though, but kind of signals me to do the same as she does: Jump over the banister down below and then in free fall grab a banister again below when you have passed 2 or 3 levels. And then repeat it downwards until you reach the ground level. That seems the fastest method to go down indeed.

I am not shocked at all since I am ‚trained‘ to do similar things from dream simulations. So we both jump down Tarzan or Kamikaze style and grab somebanisters in between stopping, hanging for a while and then letting to in free fall going lower again. There are many levels indeed.

I assume that there is a kind of metro / subway / ‚Tube‘ station in the basement of this skyscraper building when we reach our destination, the ground. However, before we reach our target down below I feel my vision is going away and I fade out. I still have time to say sorry to the guide lady but then I am out fast.

Later (Part 2 of the retrieval event if you will) I have dreams about the metro (‚Tube‘) in London and at one point get lucid again while I am really in a kind of subway or
railway station.

I instantly remember my mission and look out for a child not wasting any time. Isee a little girl crouched on the floor against a wall and she is being bullied by a bigger male kid (or more, not remembered) with something  being thrown at or held against her (don‘t know what it was). I chase the ‚bad‘ kid(s) away easily and take her by the hand and together we go to the next station platform.

I remember my mission of doing some kind of handover but I see no ‚guide‘ or light source or whatever. On the station platform a train enters and we look at it and she remarks how beautiful it is.

I grab the little girl to lift her up and then enter the train carrying her, hoping to  find the guide (maybe the tall Nordic lady again) inside to take the kid further ‚up‘ (the train probably leading to Focus 27?).

This does not happen however while the train starts to move out of the station. I look at her and suddenly ‚she‘ is no longer there but I kind of hold an empty transparent shade of her in my left arm like a kid sized plastic puppet.

Then again the projection / dream ends and I fade out of the scene quite disappointed again.

Analysis

There is a lot of metaphor in this which is interesting in both parts of the event. In detail:

The guide was very ‚tall‘ and I was told already years ago in forums that in dreams or projections guides often appear this way if they appear as humans, sometimes they are a head or more taller than you. I found this information to be correct in many of my own dreams or projections since then.

Another hint is when she said she is ‚Nordic‘ and the North might also indicate her higher origin from ‚up there‘ (maybe from the F27 Reception Centre area?).

She was also quite business-minded getting down to action immediately not wasting any ‚time‘ (I assume she was knowing that ‚my‘ - not her – time is limited for this kind of activity before I fade out). I believe that the retriever guides are this way, always focussed on their job and to get it done with our without our help. The retrievee comes first, not the retriever helper!

Our way jumping ‚down‘ in that high building's staircase to the station also signifies the astral levels. Maybe we really started at the ‚reception centre‘ area in Focus 27 (although I am not sure where I started but it was a lighted and thus 'higher' place) only to then descend to the Focus 23 or 22 area to fetch a child from ‚down‘ there.

The railway station that confused me first might actually signify a place (or state of being) to be retrieved from indeed. You often first have to wait for the train to take you elsewhere (probably better), there‘s  lots of travellers in waiting areas at stations.
The child(ren) themselves might still be caught in their own imagination or F2 dreamscape and not even take notice of the station, just like the harassed child was. Maybe that was the trauma it suffered most from in its short life life or was it even the cause of its death?

The train we entered was then maybe the ‚portal‘ going moving her ‚up‘ again to Focus 27. When I made her aware of it she then 'saw' it and commented how beautiful it was. That was maybe the decisive moment already: Noticing the 'portal', the transport system or even a guide?

The empty shade I held after boarding the train was maybe a sign that she then already had moved onwards and hopefully upwards. So already showingher the train or entering it with her did the trick. Maybe it was a success after all?
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Recommendations: Authors/Books On AP

8/3/2019

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This is just a short signpost for the books, authors and teachers I recommend. It is all enlisted in my repository on my OBE forum. So this is why I only add the short list here and the link to get all the information from there:

Out Of Body Boards Repository Authors & Books

  • Robert Monroe / The Monroe Institute (TMI)
  • William Buhlman
  • Frank Kepple
  • Kurt Leland
  • Robert Bruce
  • Albert Taylor
  • Frederick Aardema
  • Graham Nicholls
  • Nicholas Newport / Lucidology
  • Vintage Authors Group: Muldoon, Fox, Leadbeater
  • Juergen Ziewe
  • Rick Stack
  • Luis Minero / International Academy Of Consciousness (IAC)
  • Robert Peterson
  • Bruce Moen
  • Tom Campbell

Have fun exploring and learning!
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The Drunkard And The Escalator (Retrieval)

3/1/2019

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Date: 25-Feb-2019

Preliminaries

I use a kinetic form to project by touching a visualised tree in the vibrational state. But then I somehow am in my 'Lightportal' again which is the childhood bedroom of my youth. I get up from that bed and fly out of the window at night to take a few rounds which is always fine and fun to do. Only then I remember my goal of doing a retrieval.

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I land down in the courtway of my childhood home and look around. Then for the first time ever I spontaneously put my hand palms together and hold them before my face and chant ‚Om‘.

This seems to do the trick. I look around and behind me I detect a guy who comes up to me. He wears some traditional clothing (maybe like a carpenter or a chimney sweeper) while he holds a huge glass of beer and takes a nip at it. He does not seem very drunk to me, rather a bit on the ‚tipsy‘ side.

When he spots me he seems to get a bit wary of me, but not in a fearful way. I learn the reason for this promptly because he then says:

‚I know you guys, you have tried this before!'

I do not remember if I asked this of him but he then tells me he is from ‚Ostwestfalen‘ (Eastern Westphalia).

I assume already by his first remark he meant my intent to retrieve him and that he does not want to be taken ‚away‘ from this level. So this was not the first time someone tried this. He seems content with his beer and overall situation including his 'astral lifestyle'. We then walk out of the driveway into the street and walk a little while talking.

I do not remember a lot of the conversation but I was clear about my mission and I tell him I know a guy (whom I named ‚Kalle‘ for no deeper reason since I made him up on the spot, a funny German nickname short version of Charles or Carl, such as Charly) whom he can meet because that guy knows the very best sort of beer around, much better than the one he is drinking right now.

He at least seems a bit intrigued about it but still does not seem to trust me. Yet he walks along with me and is listening when I tell him about the superior beer.

We then turn right into an urban footpath (still really existing in the physical in ‚my‘ hometown street) that goes slightly downhill connecting the street we were on to the parallel street ‚below‘. I point to the end of it and say we can meet 'Kalle' over there. Then things start to happen fast.

The footpath turns into an escalator and at the bottom end I see smoke or fog and light coming out of it, with the moving stairs it approaches us fast, so we are facing a wall of light and smoke/fog. The drunkard also looks part sideways part back to me because I instinctively stayed back a little knowing this is 'for him'.

Then the fog/smoke and the upward moving escalator reaches him while he seemed to crouch down a little. There also seem to come small sparks of this light out of the escalator and somehow then the sparks and the fog/smoke engulf him fully, but it is not in a menacing or evil way.

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He then disappears and with him the whole ‚magickal show‘ of light, smoke/fog and the ground is no moving stairway anymore. Everything is ‚back to normal‘ and I stand alone on this footpath that looks like before and more or less identical to its corresponding version in the physical. I then fade out, almost voluntarily, knowing I might have accomplished my ‚mission‘.

Analysis

This seems an F2 retrieval to me. Unlike the drowned children retrieval before that it was not in a stable environment but rather in my own dreamscape intermingling with the one of the retrievee. Since I started out in my own F2 environment (childhood town and parent home) I kind of 'imported' him into my dreamscape which does not mean he perceived it as such, since perceptions on this plane of existence are subjective and he still might have been moving about in his own familiar environment somehow while yet interacting with me.

Fred Aardema also describes this phenomenon for an retrieval event of a child in his book. There he also first stood on a road outside of town familiar to him from his own childhood days and then he met a child to be retrieved and they both ran towards town and the town centre signifying 'home'. Then the town became more familiar to the child than to him the nearer they got to the centre. This is a typical ‚dreamscape‘ merging that happens in F2, the private astral areas. These areas are not always that private after all because they can 'merge' or mix, especially during so-called shared dreaming, lucid dreams, retrievals like this or projectors ‚visiting‘ dreamers in their dreamscapes. Your dreamscape is always for the most part your own thought projection and you virtually carry it with you all the time and in thought-responsive areas like the low astral (F2) these private dreamscapes are easily projected outward also for others to see.

The metaphor of the upward moving escalator with the light is very clear to me. So the „handover“ was a light procedure this time. I would have liked to see ‚Kalle‘ (Charly) which would have been the retriever guide from the non-physical side (from higher F3) in disguise. However, it is very often the case that you do not see the helpers themselves but rather a ‚light event‘ or an ‚upward moving‘ event takes place, in this case it was even both landmark aspects combined. This for me is proof enough that it was a genuine retrieval. By the way, in the physical, the footpath which has a slope indeed has some stairs at its lower end. So the stairs came to us (moving uphill!) to literally 'elevate' the retrievee.

I could generously give a small and modest validation score to the Ostwestfalen (Eastern Westphalia) datapoint because at that time I did not know that it was the legit historical name of a region or district. I just found out now. Hence it did not just mean, as I had thought prior to my research, that he was from the eastern part of the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia but instead he gave me the proper name of his native region. (This is somewhat analogous to the proper names for e.g. the states of Northern Ireland or North Carolina in the English-speaking world. Besides the 'regional/cardinal' meaning of the word 'North' it is at the same time an official part of the state name.). Here is the Wikipedia entry for this area:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostwestfalen-Lippe

However, as we know the skeptical argument is still valid claiming that we ingest so much information during our lives subconsciously that I might have heard or read about this regional district before. Still, it is rather strange why it should come up spontaneously as I cannot find any specific reason for this or any prior connection to it.

Needed improvements:

1. Ask personal names of the retrievees, not just where they are from (although this is the second most important detail for identifications and even possible verifications afterwards).

2. Use the Void as a hub in order to be faster on-location and also to remember my goal of doing retrievals earlier.

On a positive note:

I should keep the action with the hands folding and OM chanting since it seemed to bring about the 'higher purpose' and 'imported' the retrievee into 'my dreamscape scene' rather than the other way round (and usual mode) with me having to find the retrievee. Maybe that is really a cool and easier way to go about retrievals? I shall try this again.

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Drowned Children By The Dark Lake (Retrieval)

2/19/2019

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Date: 13-Feb-2019

Preliminaries

I decided to let go of all preconceptions or expectations. I just wanted to try to do a retrieval and see what is 'thrown at me' then by those who direct me to it. My wish, however, was to do child retrievals. As you will see, that wish was granted.

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I get lucid in the dark/Void and ask for the helper-hand method to get me to my retrieval location. We fly a long time and I even complain when we will get there where I ‚see‘ something because I lose precious time for the retrieval work.

Then vision sets in and I am at a lake or seaside. It is still dark and gloomy, at night, but I can make out enough of the scene before me.

I see a group of children first walking through the water at the shallow area near the shore where the water is knee-deep. They are from about age 7 to 10 on average, just as an estimate. As I fly down and get nearer, I see especially one girl falling down into the water, she is then choking on it a bit but she gets up again and keeps moving - probably like the others she's moving on towards the shore.

Then when I fly nearer (don‘t know if I am at that time already visible to them or not) I see them altogether gathered at the lakeshore which has grass and trees. I ask my invisible guide(s) whom of these children to help since I assume there is only one to pick then. I am pointed to one that is leaning against the tree and says something (maybe after seeing me) but then I am somehow re-focussed towards the entire group again, standing on the ground with them.

They are about 8-10 children it seems, but I do not remember exactly and did not count them, also because first they stand around rather unsorted. It is still dark and at night while they seem to sit or in part stand in a circle now having moved out of the water entirely.

Then I see a kind of adult man who is not too large in height. He smiles while he sees me and joins the circle. It seems he is their first responder or caregiver or whatever which means he would be the non-physical guide doing the retrieval work. I seem to sense his function as the helper already.

Things then get a bit more bizarre. I am joining the circle and the the caregiver who is on my direct left side touches my cheek or jawbone and I feel that suddenly the entire circle is energetically connected via all their respective mouths running through the jaws or jaw bones. It is a light energy. It runs through all of our mouths but also between us from cheek to cheek in the circle.

Then the circle (except me somehow) suddenly starts chanting a song, mantra or melody. It is eight syllables and I hear it very clearly. I also feel my jaw gets strained a little. Then I wake up in my physical body again. The aftermath is notable and shows that it was the 'real' thing because the energy body reacts in certain ways in cases where you've been 'out' again with an 'intense' projection.

I still feel the energy in both jaw bones, also as a tingling sensation on the cheek bones as I lie in my bed on the side. I also still ‚hear‘ the melody and their chanting or singing. It is a foreign language and it is short syllables, about 8 or so, it is rhythmic and also seems to be a kind of mantra that is repeated after 8 lines / syllables.

I also feel a shivering (like someone who was or is in cold water?). Therefore I then decide to do some energy work to stabilise and ground myself as I still feel the energy in my jaws and the shaking in my body. While I do that the music fades and unfortunately it is too late to note down the mantra / syllables they chanted when I finally get up to take down notes.

Although I knew it all by heart when I chanted it with them by then don't remember it anymore. You need to jot it all down immediately or it gets lost. It is the same with your dreams: If you do not note it down on the spot after waking up many if not all memories are gone. This really annoyed me.

Analysis

With my rather ‚daring‘ interpretations I do not give alternatives anymore like I did before but I have a general disclaimer for my 'analysis' which says that of course most of it is my speculation and a combination of clues, dot-connecting and vague interpretations. So here we go:

Although I did not stay until the ‚end‘ and fulfilment (which is what often happens to retrievers) I might have contributed to the group retrieval of drowned children.

Similar to the higher level Belief System Territories people who died a same death experience might group together in the so-called astral ‚hells‘. It need not have been the same sunk ship or accident or whatever let them drown, of course I also cannot exclude this possiblity.

In these ‚hells‘ they re-live or process their fatal trauma, often caught up in time-loops doing things or reliving situations over and over again. So were the children wading through water (some falling down and getting up again). Non-physical helpers assist them and try to ‚lift their spirits‘ (almost literally) to get ready to rise to higher levels again. Sometimes they are seen by the lost souls and sometimes not. It seems this time the caregiver or teacher guy was one of the non-physical helper spirits whom I and maybe also the children could see. This is possible if they lower their frequency to 'pose as' humans to the lost souls who are to be helped. It is also possble that the children did not see him but only me and he 'used' me as a resource and antenna because we incarnated human projectors can be seen better by them.

So how was this done in this case? This was the bizarre scenery that unfolded for me. I was ‚used‘ as a resource to help the children chant a group mantra / song and so they could be uplifted by it. Singing and chanting means always getting to a higher vibration and state of being and can raise us up literally in the non-physical (and physical too, of course, emotionally and spiritually).

Still I wish I knew what the ‚language‘ (if it was one) was and the words meant but maybe this is not the important point after all. So maybe I helped to get them ready and make them 'hit the road' home again. It was possibly just one step and their guide (the caretaker adult) will have to do other steps following this one. They also already had made some progress before by walking out of the water and gathering as a group on land.

Maybe I could further and speed up their healing process by giving them almost literally ‚a voice‘ or the gift of chanting / singing? Maybe the connected mouths and the energy used also was my contribution and perhaps me being a musician (or a talking living human in general) helped here. If light is involved it is always the signifier for 'finding home' for these souls.

So I acted as a resource and thus a skill once lost was transferred to the group and the used by the guide to connect the group with light and help them chant the melody in order to soar, which unfortunately I did not see due to my fading out of the scene. As said before, this is common for retriever helpers. E.g. you see them go into the light when you're successful or do something to move on but you do not go with them into the light. (Author Fred Aardema wrote about this phenomenon too in his book 'Explorations In Consciousness').

The aftermath is also still amazing to me because the body chills and shaking and the ‚hurting‘ jaw are a strikingly clear sign of a ‚real‘ out-of-body experience / astral projection where you get these energetic sensations on the onset but also during the aftermath after re-entry. For example, in past experiences I often felt 'PREES' (post-re-entry electric sensations) which is a kind of electric goosebumpy chilly feeling after I re-integrate but not this time. This time it was shaking – like you come from a bath in a cold water moving naked through cool and fresh air. Is that maybe another metaphor for the drowned children's situation?

The aftermath did not end here. There was a synchronicity that also helped to confirm to me that it was really about drowned human beings: On that same day I browsed a site for job ads, which I do almost every day just as usual (eBay classified small ads site), and when I just had opened the homepage it was that one ad for a DVD that struck me and caught my eye immediately. It was about a B or C thriller/horror movie I did not know before (also since I do not watch this kind of movies). But none of this is important. Only the title of it is and the cover picture with the woman - clearly under water. Just take a look and you get what it is about:
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„12 feet deep“ is the title and it gets even better: the German subheader can be translated as „trapped in the water“. It cannot be more clear, this is no coincidence.

Another interesting matter is also the choice done for me regarding the areas of  ‚children‘ and ‚death by drowning‘:

First, I actually had asked for child retrievals (as mentioned in the 'preliminaries' section) because (1) I thought it might be easier for me to find empathy with the targeted soul and (2) I also still have my ‚inner child‘ activated all the time in my physical life as a person, so I thought I could relate better to their temperament and state of being; it is all about finding connections to the soul to be assisted!

Second, maybe the water element has also to do with me being an Aquarius by zodiac sign? Just guessing and playing around with ideas here though.

Last not least, for future endeavours I will need to improve in these two areas:

1. We (me and the guides) need to get earlier out of the Void / 3D darkness because I lose precious time I need for the retrievees and my actions there (this time the action was done to me so I did not do a lot of talking or acting myself, at least on a conscious level because I just joined the circle and the guide then did the 'circuit' thing with me and the group). Despite the astral being 'timeless' for us projecting humans saving time is still of the essence here. Hence retrieval work for us is like a SWAT team mission, fast in, fast contacting, fast (re)acting, fast handover, fast (and often forceful) out again.

2. I need to note down everything immediately. It still annoys me that I lost the memory of the ‚lyrics‘ chanted by my negligence, which then could have been a very interesting post event internet research indeed.
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Soul Retrieval Project (Retrieval)

2/13/2019

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After my exploration of The Void I now decided to resume my retrievals. I did a few retrievals or retrieval-like activities a few years ago. I decided to write a book on the topic as Volume II of my 'Handbook Series' about Astral Projection and asked the non-physical helpers devoted to doing retrieval work to 'hire' me for this job since they always are in need of incarnated helpers who project. Why this is so will be explained in my book. It seems that it worked now. I am 'hired' for the project. At least for a while. It's of course my own decision to do anything else anytime.
Tonight I had my first retrieval experience and I will write about it here soon in a separate blog post. The re-posting of my LuciDiary on Astral Dynamics will continue likewise and occasional posts will be made but no longer in chronological order. I will pick what seems most interesting or relevant to me.
The first Volume of this book series will be the Handbook that teaches how to practice and learn it. Volume II however will appear first. You can see both book covers on the front page of this blog now. The book on Retrievals is also posted here. There are even further books planned (5 altogether) for the future. More on this later on.
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The Void

2/2/2019

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Content

Part I - Introduction & Definitions
Part II - Authors, Experts, Researchers & Teachers
Part III - Internet Forums & Articles (Astral Projectors)
Part IV - My Personal Void Research
Part V - Conclusions & Outlook

Note for this Blog version: The first published version was made in December 2018 on the Out-Of-Body-Boards here. Due to formatting restrictions with pictures in the text flow I could not enter the pics in the text below into the appropriate locations anymore. Therefore a gallery was created and in the text you will find the references.

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Part I - Introduction & Definitions

Not formed into anything
as regards characteristics or colour,
naturally void, is the very Reality,
the All-Good.
- The Tibetan Book Of The Dead

The Void or 3D-Blackness (as Out-of-body-pioneer Robert Monroe called it) is a place or state of being where Astral Projectors (APers) / Out-Of-Body Experiencers (OBErs), Near-Death-Experiencers (NDErs) and in rare cases even Regression Hypnosis Clients and Meditators can go.

To Astral Projectors it is often a 'stopover' or a gateway leading to many other realms and it is also often the transition phase between the physical and non-physical (astral) planes. It's a kind of buffer zone. It is also described and conceived as the primordial consciousness. It is probably even a part or expression of our 'Source' / 'God' / 'All That Is'. To Near Death Experiencers it can be more frightening and 'new' if they have had no prior experience with it.

In the Void you are normally 'body-less' with no or a 'kind of' blackened visual sense and usually your thinking capacity turned on fully lucid. However, despite the usual state of 'sense deprivation' different senses can be turned on or off, sometimes even at will. There are many variations possible. Actually all of them can be 'added'. You can hear sounds (talk and even music never heard before!), smell, communicate and even touch and feel things when floating in the Void.

This article will deal with both viewpoints (hub / bufferzone and 'Source' / primordial mind) which are not mutually exclusive, of course. However, there is even more to say about it and the following quotes from many different experiencers will make that very clear. Usually I will not make a distinction between the reports of NDErs and APers but the links will show where it comes from.

In Parts I,II and III I will not write too much myself but mostly just stick to a collection of quotes that often speak for themselves. With Part I here being the introduction, Part II is about what famous authors and experts have to say. I spoke to some of them myself via the internet (e-mail, pm, message board) and asked them for statements. Part III will be drawn from internet articles and mostly forums all around the world wide web and focus even more on astral projection. Part IV will describe my own experience and experiments with the Void. I will draw my conclusions in Part V.

A necessary note ahead on the fragility of internet links: The internet changes daily and we all know that links come and go and thus get 'broken'. This especially happened to all of my links I had gathered in 2017 from the 'Explorations In Consciousness'-forum founded by author Frank Aardema. Therefore you will not be able to get back to the original source although I still provide the links in the text. At this time only the start page would then appear with the message that the forum has been terminated. Maybe it will also vanish completely soon. However, I can vouch for the quotes' authenticity. Take my word for it that they are - except for occasional slight edits (e.g. omissions, shortening, paragraphs) - unchanged in their meaning from how I had copied them from the browser into a word processing document.

To begin with, I take this quote from the article "The Void and the Near-Death Experience'. It is very good although it lacks the perspective of Astral Projection entirely. Yet, for a start I can restrict myself to this description:

The general consensus among near-death testimonies is that the Void is a realm of complete and profound darkness - empty of everything except for the thought and emotional patterns of those who enter it. The Void is a perfect place for experiencers to examine themselves, contemplate their recent earth experience, and decide where they want to go next. For some experiencers, the Void is a beautiful and heavenly realm because, in the absence of all else, they are able to perfectly see the love and light within themselves. For other experiencers, the Void is a terrifying, confusing, horrible hell because, in the absence of everything, they are temporarily unable to see the love and light within themselves. For this reason, the Void also acts as a heavenly "Time Out" where the experiencer is forced to look within themselves. There is no judgment in the Void except the possibility of self-judgment - a harsher form of self-understanding. The Void has also been understood as a process of "ego death" where the "mask" of the personality is dissolved to allow the individuality of the soul to be experienced in relation to the Whole that is God. (...) For some souls, the time spent in the Void may feel like only a moment. For others, it may seem like eternity. This is because the nature of the Void is for contemplation. Once the soul is ready, the light appears and the tunnel takes them into higher realms. For souls who either refuse the light or have spent a lifetime ignoring the light within themselves, it may take what seems like an "eternity" before they are ready to move on.
www.near-death.com/science/research/void.html

The article also mentions the historical record in traditions, myths and religion.
The Void is known by many religious traditions by many different names. Some of them are: purgatory, hell, outer darkness, prison, Gehennom, She'ol, pit, abyss, an-nar, and Preta-Loka.
www.near-death.com/science/research/void.html

I am not a Scandinavian but I like listening to Nordic (Viking / Pagan) Folk music. So from there I know another name for the Void coming from Norse creation mythology. It is called 'Ginnungagap'. Since many lyrics are of a spiritual nature this term appears quite often in different songs and by different performers.

In Norse mythology, Ginnungagap ("gaping abyss", "yawning void") is the primordial void, mentioned in the Gylfaginning, the Eddaic text recording Norse cosmogony.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginnungagap

Someone also made a nice graphic even calling it the 'dark void' on Pinterest (not added in here for copyright reasons):
i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/09/b6/c909b6dde3550de71288825d8d4e9d25.jpg
www.pinterest.de/pin/534872893226452506/ (account needed to view)

Or gap Ginnunga du er, du var, du vert, du vinn, du veks!
Du vaknar! Du vaknar! Liv av kvar ein død, død av kvart eit liv.
Out of the gap of Ginnunga you are, you were, you become, you gain, you grow!
You awaken! You awaken! Life from every death, death from every life.
- Einar Selvik & Ivar Bjørnson (Song: Kvervandi)

However, this NDE and religious or mythological focus is not enough. This article is intended to also show it from another angle: The one that astral projectors have. Due to the 'voluntary' nature of AP and projecting to and then experiencing the Void you will notice a higher playfulness and with it - even more strikingly - almost always the complete absence of fear.

Some projectors even go there voluntarily because they seek the Void for pleasure, self-reflection and -experience as 'mind' or pure consciousness, relaxation or to be playing with it. Some seek information, even future information is possible. I also gather (so far preferably past) information (see Part IV) and use it as a hub for travel, but many other experiencers just seek to play with senses next to, before or even instead of using it as a springboard to 'teleport' to other planes and adventures.

Last not least, next to the AP viewpoint, another very important aspect and even main purpose of this article is the following:

Corroboration!

There is hardly any astral projector who has not come across The Void before, even most beginners know it. If many people from all over the world independently write about something you can be certain there is some truth in it, or even a lot! This is the very reason I gathered all the quotes and links about this topic. You will notice the commonalities and similarities among their accounts. I cannot even post all of the material and links I have found, so I am already restricting myself here. I could fill an entire book about what I found. A long book could, however, be a bit boring due to the repetitiveness of the experience descriptions by different people. Since I already left out material for this article even this long essay is still just an extract!

We all love lists. Therefore let me sum up in this introduction what we can already say about Void experiences. Many of these hypotheses will be touched upon in the following parts again.

Access/Experience Types:

  1. Astral Projection / Out-Of-Body Experience / Phasing
  2. Near Death Experience
  3. Regression Hypnosis (In-Between-Lives, Higher Self Channelling)
  4. Deep Meditation (Limited*)

* In my view, however, Meditation is in this case perhaps just another 'direct' induction method for an Astral Projection (especially of the so-called 'Phasing'-type which is a mainly visualisation- and meditation-based projection method), but this can be debated.

Void Types:

Three main types of the Void can be identified. Note that this can be a spectrum and that there are 'in-betweens'. Examples for all of these will be shown very clearly also in Part II and III with the expert statements and the many forum entries. So I am anticipating this a little, but I add it all to my introduction in order to show all the people without any Void experience how it 'looks' and 'feels' like or what I am talking about in general.

Here are in shorthand form the main categories of Void experience / perception. They are ordered according to their 'visibility' and dubbed in short as 'BLIND', 'SWIRLS' and 'WHITE':

(A) BLIND = "TOTAL (EXIT) BLINDNESS" - Sometimes also described as 'exit blindness' from the physical to astral, a usual problem for projectors who want to go 'somewhere', it's a completely dark Void but still with a 3D and a 'moving' weightless quality.

(B) SWIRLS = "DARK-GREY SWIRLS / TV-STATIC" - Darkness, floating, but often with stars or moving swirls or veils, or (grey-ish) smoke, the starfield is often described as 'pinpricks' or 'pinpoints of light' that are 'like space', background or general colour most often dark-greyish (in my case), sometimes entire galaxies of light spinning (side note: it is NOT outer space where APers of course also can go and quite often do!). Like Type A, there is 'deepness' to it (hence the '3D'tag added).

(C) WHITE = "WHITE VOID" - This is a rare case but it happens.

Below you will find two very rough visualisations of type (B), in my experience Type B is the most common type. Note this is just an approximation by example, it can still be very different from that. The link below the image contains a video / image from a commercial stock foto site that gives you an even better (and darker) impression of what it can be like if it is more of the star field type (B). Note again that the experience also ranges from individual to individual and can change from one moment to the other or from projection to projection, too. Yes, it can at times indeed be a bit similar to that kind of 'dark tv static' we know of. However, in my case, I also often see greyish-black-white swirls or smoke screens waving or sometimes turning galaxies of greyish light points on the black background. And there is also (wilful) colouring possible, but I will only get to this in Part IV, which is about my own experiments.

SEE GALLERY: PIC 1 - TV-STATIC

DARK VOID IMAGE / VIDEO (COMMERCIAL SITE)

Possible Void Purposes / Usage:

  1. Hub, springboard, gateway for entering astral planes, 'pre-OBE' state
  2. Contemplation, meditation, self-realization
  3. God/Source experience, 'going / feeling home' (?)
  4. Information gathering, 'akashic' access (past, present, future)

Involuntary ('Accidental') Experiences:
  1. Fearful 'trap' in complete or partial darkness during a Near Death Experience
  2. 'Exit Blindness' (Type 2) by Astral Projectors who seek to overcome it because they actually want(ed) to go 'somewhere' on the physical / etheric plane or astral / mental planes

Part II - Authors, Experts, Researchers & Teachers

I do not introduce these well-known experts in this article. Many can be found with their books on Amazon or on their own websites. The exceptions are Frank Kepple and Nick Newport who were solely 'internet based' teachers although they are not active anymore today. Dolores Cannon is also an exception of another kind since she is not an astral projector or author on OBEs at all but a past life regression therapist. However, she has a whole chapter on The Void in one of her books. This in turn is a highly valuable source which gives us more corroborating information gained via regression hypnosis from her clients. It is so very interesting because it is coming from a completely different methodical source.

Tom Campbell

I asked Tom Campbell via PM on his MBT forum (https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/) to make a short statement for my article and he kindly answered.

Sinera, The void is what is left after all your sense data disappears (you let go of the data-stream defining your so-called "physical" reality) and your mind is still (without thoughts of any sort). What you are left with is an awareness that you exist and nothing else. I call that state "point consciousness" because it appears as if you are a point of consciousness (awareness) floating in an infinite black void. Being able to attain point consciousness and remain undisturbed in that state as long as you wish is an excellent doorway (altered state) from which to effectively project your intent toward some end. Tom Campbell
Tom Campbell (via PM)

There's more on his forum and the MBT Wiki about it. The first quote is directly from his book.

Let's start with the most difficult concept first, the one that appears mystical from the PMR point of view. This concept assumes the existence of an apparently (not necessarily actual) infinite absolute something: A Oneness that is uniform, plain, and without differentiation. This apparently infinite source of our larger reality has no discernible boundaries, edges, or limits (as a perfectly calm ocean would appear to you if you were floating in the middle of it). This undifferentiated something would seem to be, and has often been called "All That Is," "The One," "The Void," "The Primordial Big Dude," {i. e., God, inserted for clarity in the present context.} and other similar philosophical descriptions. It represents the fundamental core of existence. It is a familiar concept to various religious and spiritual conceptualizations. An absolute no-thing, pervasive, yet exists beyond our space and time. It is simultaneously everything (in potential) and nothing (no-thing, no differentiation or boundaries).
wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php?title=The_Void

Tom points out the difference of an 'astral' or mystical Void experience to a 'Void'(-like)-experience during meditation, which is not necessarily the same thing. Normally that kind of void is just the expression for being completely 'void of thoughs' by the art of stilling the mind via mediation. Yet, for very skilled practitioners of deep meditation it can happen that you access the 'real thing', probably also (or only?) by using meditation as a launchpad for astral projection (note: LCS = Larger Consciousness System / NPMR = Non-physical Matter Reality / VR = Virtual Reality):

In meditation, we seek to gradually turn off the chatter of our Internal Dialog, leaving us with only transient passing thoughts which we do not allow to engage our attention or perhaps to even totally remove this dialog for increasing lengths of time or to even have it cease for  longer periods of hours. The purpose is the removal of 'noise' in order to let the 'signal' from the LCS reach our attention. That is in  technical terms, to improve the signal to noise ration and thus allow  the signal of LCS or NPMR contact to be more readily perceived. While this is sometimes referred to as accessing the Void state, it probably is not the actual Void unless one reaches the point of being able to maintain very deep states of meditation with internal silence for  extended periods and specifically seeks to experience the Void. Then we apply our Intent to perhaps establish communication clearly with  guidance or perhaps to request access to or contact with the Void. If one chooses the latter of these two options, the Void may be presented to us as described above by the LCS. The Void is something which we  cannot 'see' or otherwise experience on our own. It is an experience  which must be supplied to us by the LCS as it is not a VR experience but rather a special experience of direct apprehension and where we have no senses as no sense organs. So while we can access the Void during meditation, doing so is not the normal result and purpose of meditation.
wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php?title=The_Void

In a forum post Tom also aligns the Void with his understanding of the term 'point consciousness' which is when you are just awareness and do not exist or move in a form or a 'body' (physical, astral, etc.). Although we will see in other examples below that point consciousness is not necessarily always used to describe The Void and The Void is not necessarily always point consciousness, this is certainly spot-on regarding the 'perfect' Void state where you are 'only awareness' and in meditation, self-reflection, contemplation or observer mode.

I am not familiar with what Bruce Moen calls the 3D Blackness but the name sort of fits -- I would like "dimensionless blackness" better but this experience is not about space or visual color. It is not so much that one experiences blackness as it is that one experiences nothing (the void) except their own existence. With no awareness of ANY input to or from any of your senses, it is like the ultimate sensory deprivation chamber. Nothing but an awareness of existing and being aware -- i.e., the pure experience of being conscious with absolutely nothing else going on. A point (no sense of dimension) of consciousness existing within the void.
www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2848&p=4818#p4635

Robert Monroe

Robert Monroe coined many terms used by today's OBErs. Among them also was the expression '3D blackness' or 'velvety blackness'. On googlebooks I could not find a direct quote for this term but I remember it from reading the books myself.

It was not the blackness of a dark room, but a feeling of infinite distance and space, as if I were looking through a window into distant space.
books.google.de/books?id=KNgVBQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Monroe+Journeys+out+of&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUq_KFnevVAhWMZVAKHcP-AcsQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=blackness&f=false

In the Void, your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts.
www.near-death.com/science/research/void.html *

*Annotation: This quote is actually not 100% literal but derived from his technique description: www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/out-of-body-experiences.html

Frank Kepple

Frank Kepple was member and moderator of the Astral Pulse forums years ago. We need to make a little excursion to the Monroe Institute before we get to his vast research and his writings on The Void.

Kepple wrote a lot of influential posts on that forum since he was a skilled explorer himself. His initial approach was based on the Robert Monroe Focus Level model (see TMI) but then he developed his own simplified model out of it. The following given links and quotes in their order will be self-explanatory. Let's first examine the Monroe Focus Levels and then Kepple's system.

The Monroe Institute (here: TMI UK) on Monroe's levels:

The Focus levels are the awareness points that our consciousness can occuppy. The Void is not mentioned directly but it might be represented by or somewhere between Focus 15 and 21:

States of Consciousness and Focus™ Levels:
As a result of extensive experiential and brainwave research at The MonroeInstitute, a simple system of labels (called Focus Levels) was devised to indicate various states or phases of consciousness. These labels are a means of neutral identification, and are used extensively as part of the training process throughout our weekend and week-long experiential programs.
Focus 1 – Normal, everyday waking consciousness.  Completely in phase with physical matter reality.  Also referred to as “C1 Consciousness”.
Focus 10 – The physical body is deeply relaxed while the mind remains conscious, awake and alert. “Mind awake, body asleep.”
Focus 11 – The Access Channel – the ultimate communication channel to all levels of awareness -mental, physical, and emotional.  Opened during each Human Plus® exercise.
Focus 12 – A state of expanded awareness while the body remains deeply relaxed and asleep.
Focus 15 – A state of No-Time. Consciousness is now far removed from physical body signals. Linear time is no longer relevant to experience.
Focus 21 – On the very edge of perception of the time/space continuum. Mind remains fully conscious and active.
Focus 22 – On the border between time/space and non-physical states of being. Comatose.
Focus 23 – The condition in which an individual may find him or herself immediately following physical death.
Focus 24 – The site of non-physical activity generated by simple or primitive religious or cultural beliefs.
Focus 25 – The expression of the major organized religious beliefs in recent human history.
Focus 26 – Here are identified certain areas, few in number, containing the structures and knowledge of various highly individual religious and other beliefs based on direct experience of self.
(Focus Levels 24 to 26 are referred to as the Belief System Territories, and are explored extensively during the Lifeline program)
Focus 27 – The edge of human thought capacity. The site of a way-station (not a terminus) for rest and recovery from the trauma of physical death.
Focus 34/35 – The area of the Gathering. Beings from many other locations within the physical universe are gathered here to witness the upcoming Earth Changes. First mentioned in Bob Monroe’s second book, Far Journeys.
Focus 42 – I-There cluster consciousness.
Focus 49 – Sea of I-There clusters.
www.monroeinstituteuk.org/focus-levels/

Now let's have a look at Frank Kepple and his own comparison of his F1-F4 system to the Monroe model of reality:

So how does my model equate with Monroe's? Well, in most ways they sit very well together. My model can best be viewed as a simplified version of Monroe's, but with additional features which are due to discoveries made by me during the course of my explorations. For those familiar with Monroe's system of labels, here is a basic comparison as far as possible:
Monroe's Focus C1 = my Focus 1
Monroe Focus 3, 10, 12, 15 & 21 = my Focus 2
Monroe Focus 23, 24, 25, 26 & 27 = my Focus 3
Here the comparison ends, as my Focus 4 has no Monroe counterpart.
www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Frank was a skilled explorer of the non-physical planes or dimensions (4D/5D) and is held in high regard among the projector community. This collection (Frank Kepple Resource) as a merging of his posts from the Astral Pulse forums is excellent and an interesting read. It is a summary done by someone else compiling the forum posts. Frank Kepple vanished years ago (last post in 2005) and some speculate due to his then already known health problems that he might not be on this physical plane anymore.

So taken into account that this is a spectrum with lots of gradients this would be my own (rough) comparison with the often used 3/4/5-D model and also with the 'historical' (Eastern, Theosophical) 'planes/bodies' model:

F1 - physical plane - 3D
F2 - astral private / (lucid or unlucid) dream planes - 4 D(Between F2+F3 (Focus Z) - The Void)
F3 - astral lower and higher / public planes - 4 or in part already 5 D ? (this is rather muddy)
F4 - mental (and higher, e.g. buddhic) planes / 'spiritual essence' (quote Kepple) / Higher Selves / or even 'Source'? - 5 D

Frank's posts on the Void regarding its 'place' in the system as well as using it as a transition / buffer zone between the Focus levels F2 and F3, he also called it 'Focus Z':
More on Monroe's FOCUS 21 state:

Those familiar with Monroe's model will be aware of the Focus 21 state. This state is also known by many astral explorers as the '3D Blackness' state. You know when you arrive at this state as the black field of vision in front of you becomes completely 3D and you find yourself floating freely within it, rather than just observing it in a 2D fashion. As you can see, it lies right at the top end of my Focus 2 and it borders on Focus 3. The 3D Blackness state, or Monroe's F21 is what can best be described as a bridge state. This state can be viewed as the point at which your individual mind meets the wider astral, i.e. the state where your individual Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 2) meets the 'common area' of your Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 3). It is the jumping off point for all adventures in Focus 3, or the Astral Proper as some people call it. I decided to use the label 'Focus Z' (as in Zero) to describe this state as it is unique in the Wider Reality and seems to deserve a label of its very own.
During the phasing process, people will pass through this state on their way to F3, but many people are unaware of it as they tend to flash through it so quickly. This is a shame since the FZ state is quite awesome in its own right. You can simply relax and float peacefully through the black void, just chilling out. Another thing you can do is to call forth any piece of music you care to think of and you will hear it all around you in glorious surround sound! You can also form 'astral windows' in this state, which will display any particular scene you care to think of in glorious high definition! You can use this as a jumping off point into F3 if you like: all you need to do is will yourself to step into the scene and there you go. There is likely to be plenty more to discover about the FZ state and further exploration is warranted.
www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Further down he goes on to describe historic explorers who got stuck in the Void entering it from their 'private astral' area (F2):

This is about as far as those olden-day inner explorers went. Some of  them tried to venture “beyond” F2 but by and large they were captured by their superstitions when they came across the 3D Blackness or FZ area.
Getting lost or getting mutilated by some monster hidden in the dark recesses of 'The Void' was a big thing in those days. The tales of which would be filed alongside all manner of other scary “facts”, such as, if a person travelled at more than 15mph their physical body would fall apart. But these days the more forward-thinking practitioners realise this infamous Void of old is just an area of 3D Blackness situated between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness. To followers of the Monroe School,The Void is simply the 3D-Blackness at Focus 21. Simple as that. No superstitious nonsense getting in the way. Just place your Intent and away you go.
So when you “take off” into the 3D Blackness, you generally emerge within Focus 3 of consciousness, or what is becoming commonly known as the Transition Area, where you will come into contact with other people who are very real indeed, not just F2 'dream characters'.
www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Using a 'Venetian Blinds' metaphor, in this post Frank describes even in more detail how to navigate betwen F2 (dream area) and F3 (public astral planes) using the Void as the transit area. (This is not on the Resource page but another thread:)

[K]nowing where you are at in the general scheme of things you want to then make another transition. What you need to find, if you can, is the 3D blackness, or the Void as mystics tend to call it. This is the “border” between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness. You should be able to “see through” your dreamscape and intertwined with it will be a kind of aperture. Remember, the Focus areas are not places. When you mentioned this word, you put it in double quotes so it looks like you realise this already. But I’m stressing it again here for the benefit of anyone who hasn’t yet picked this up.
(...)
[Y]ou need to “detune” your focus of attention from Focus 2. In a way, it’s like looking at one of those subliminal pictures that were all the rage a number of years ago. The ones where you apply a soft focus and the picture comes into view. Take the same idea and do this within Focus 2. What we are creating, in effect, is a highly controlled overlay experience. As you do this, you should start to see, like, slats with a blackness inbetween them. Imagine a large vertical Venetian blind that was in front of an identical Venetian blind. Each blind had a large picture painted over the slats. Imagine this picture being representative of you objectively viewing a focus area or focus of attention. Now fully close both blinds.
So now, you can see the whole picture of blind one and nothing of the picture painted on blind two behind it. Imagine the picture you can see now as your current dreamscape, i.e. Focus 2. Imagine the picture painted over the slats of the blind behind as Focus 3. Now slowly open the first blind and turn the slats through 45 degrees. At which point you can still see the picture but it’s broken up. Now the picture is interspersed with the picture on the slats of the blind behind it. The act of opening the blind is like “detuning” your focus of attention. This is what I mean when I say you should start to see “slats” with a blackness between them. You can still see your dreamscape but it is interspersed with the 3D-Blackness, which is the “border” between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness.
If you were to open the imaginary blind so the thin edge of each slat is now directly facing you, you  would not be able to see the initial picture at all now. All you would see is the picture painted on the second blind, which takes up your full focus of attention.
Note: when this happens you don’t actually “travel” anywhere. You can if you want to. You can start “flying” around all over the place if you want to. But doing that just gets in the way of any kind of serious work. Now and again, it’s good to have a fly around. However, if you want to start making good inroads you must resist the urge to play around within Focus 2.
So “detune” your focus and when you see the slat-effect appear, keep your attention focused on the blackness between the slats. The slats should seem to turn wider open to the point where your previous dreamscape will fall away entirely. Now you will be standing on what feels like a precipice. It will feel like that “behind you” is where you have just “come from” and before you is the infamous Void, the bane of many a mystic, lol. But this is just the 3D-Blackness at Focus 21 of the Monroe model.
www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/how_can_i_leave_foc_2-t18538.0.html;msg160373;topicseen#msg160373

Dolores Cannon

This is the third experience type through which we can experience the Void besides Near Death Experience and Astral Projection (with Meditation being the 4th). The late Dolores Cannon was a famous regression hypnotherapist. She used it also for life-between-lives reports and 'channellings' of beings or the client's Higher Self. This example below seems to be of the latter kind.

Here we get an unmistakably clear description of The Void. It seems to be emanating from either Source or the Higher Self, or even be a representation of itself. Parts are sent out and come back 'home' to bring back life experience and enrich 'the whole', either as sparks from Source or as avatars of the Higher Self. This 'home' is at least visualised as The Void here very clearly.

It is an entire chapter that can be seen on Googlebooks. I will cite only a few parts of it but recommend to read it in full there or buy the book anyway. (Note: The mentioned 'cloud' is part of the hypnosis technique using it as a starting point for the regressed person to go to the place and time chosen by their Higher Self or as asked by the regressionist.)

Jenny came from Canada to have this session while I was in Ashtabula, Ohio in 2005, giving lectures and workshops. She thought this would be closer than coming to my office in Arkansas, and she was able to attend the lectures, also.
When Jenny came off the cloud, she was confused because there was a sense of nothingness. “There’s nothing. There’s black, and I don’t see any land. I feel that I’m in space. I’m not on any surface. I’m in, I guess, the void. I don’t even see stars of any kind. I guess I better mention what’s important: when I was on the cloud, I felt I was being accompanied by spacecraft, sort of like an honor guard of some sort. But now I’m in space, and I can’t see anything.”
(...)
I can be part of everything when I’m in the blackness. And then I can bring it back together to be a form. If I have a purpose or a task to do, I bring it to more of a form. And if not, then I become a part of everything again. I go back in and out.
(...)
It’s everything. Where I am is everything. It’s familiar. It’s not like I can define it as there’s a beginning and an end. There’s none of that. It’s just expansive. And it goes on forever in my mind’s eye. And I’m part of that. But there’s no, on some surface. It’s not a structure. It just goes on and on and on, like there’s no end to it. And yet I know I have a place in it. That form becomes a form of many.
(...)
Yes, there are many, many others. Let’s say there’s a whole view of different energy sparks, entities, whatever. And when I go into this place, I know where I belong as part of the Whole, but then we become the Whole. If I move out, there’s a space that’s there for me specifically. It’s not like the others won’t encroach on that space and fill it in, like it’s an empty spot. It’s as if I was a spaceship and was going into a mothership, and there’s – I don’t know what the wording is – my goodness. There’s a space like a docking area for that particular ship, let’s say, or you would know where to go and land. There would be that place for that ship. It’s something like that, only I’m a spark of light and these are other sparks of light. And they know where I belong and I know where they belong. They each have their own space within this bigger space. They merge, like we merge as one.
(...)
And yet we have the ability to individualize that particular consciousness, so that I can be an individual. And yet there are times of rest where you go back in there and it’s a loving thing. It’s beautiful. It’s safe, it’s calm, it’s like a resting time. But when it’s needed, I can come out of there and be individual.
(...)
I see that it’s a dark space. Not fearful of the dark, it’s just dark. And the only light is our light. It’s like having stars all over in the black sky, and those stars are individuals. Who, when they’re at rest, they know they’re individuals, but they become one and there’s nothing else. There is one loving mass, I guess, but yet you could see the individual stars, if you will, or sparks. It’s a comfortable feeling. It’s a loving feeling. It feels like home. It’s safe. And again, it’s like a resting place.
(...)
It’s like we all become a central mind, but yet we’re individual minds. I don’t know how to describe that. But when we’re one, there is direction out of our knowing, and the mere existence of who we are.
(...)
It’s a safe haven, really a very safe haven. We have to go out of that safe haven sometimes to places that are not very pleasing or very nice or very safe. But we have such love of that force, that we know we must go. And we’re willing to go to these unsafe places, because we don’t question the asking of whatever has to be done. We just have to trust.
(...)
It’s important that we forget, because in bringing whatever lesson or light into another existence – if we knew who we are, if we knew we could do certain things, or that it was only a temporary stay – that we’re there to do a task and go back, it would give a bias to what is happening. Because there are certain light codes that we give off when we’re in these places. So it would taint, it would bias what we’re bringing.
(...)
You’re more than that. In this thing that I see, you’re more than a soul. Maybe a soul is like a lower – I’m not trying to say “lower, upper.” It’s a different extension of this world. We’re almost like a star, like a sun is a star. So it’s like everything into one. It’s spiritual, it’s physical, it’s non-dimensional and dimensional. It’s everything rolled into one. And as you step down, different tasks are involved. You could be involved in creating something that are systems of physical places. But then you could step down really, really further, and you are an individual spark as a soul. And you go to certain places for a job. At the same time while you’re helping others, you’re also learning by accumulating information that you’ve learned there. So you take it back to the systems, to the world. And then again you go back to this place that’s like the loading dock. Like you’re part of the Whole.
(...)
[T]he knowledge that was acquired during that period of time of creation, of manifestation, is not lost. That’s a part of that entity. It’s a part of that individual spark, so it’s never lost. It’s part of you. So you go out now and create some more. And you go through that process again of learning. But yet it’s like something new, something fresh, and yet it’s something old.
books.google.de/books?id=NNyxYen07XUC&pg=PT3&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=Void&f=false

From another of her cases in the same chapter. This is a rare example of accessing the Void via meditation:

Teresa wanted to know what happened during an experience she had in February 2005. She was meditating when she suddenly found herself in a dark, formless place of nothingness, which she could only explain as the “void”. It was not frightening, instead, it gave her a great sense of enlightenment. When she returned to a conscious state, she tried to understand it logically, and it made no sense to her. The subconscious was explaining:
T: That was just an experience of being more in touch with some of these more refined levels, or other levels of consciousness. Dropping away the pictures without dropping away this particular body. I allowed her to have that experience. So it’s nothing else but to show her that it really is all one consciousness. And that experience of the void that she had is even going to a more elementary level of that consciousness. It is the nothingness out of which everything comes. Everything comes from that. That is infinite, and that is everything, at its most unrefined level. And as she had that experience, it would be natural for her to recognize that none of this is real. To see that, yes, on one level it is real, but from that level of the void, this is just near surface, just near hue, just a tint of color. Very little. That the real reality is the consciousness and is the base of the consciousness, the pure emptiness, the nothingness, from which all consciousness stems.
D: Is that nothingness comparable to the Source, or are those two different things?
T: It would be the Source.
D: Because I’ve heard the Source described as light.
T: It is the darkness from which the light comes. It is beyond the light.
D: People say when they return to the Source, or when they started at the Source, it is always a bright light.
T: From my vantage point, I can tell you that the light comes from the darkness. Not – again from my vantage point – to confuse darkness with evil or anything negative. It is simply that which contains light. And from my vantage point, that is the Source. There may be something beyond that, but that is what I see from where I am. The nothingness. And from the nothingness comes the light. And from the light comes the differentiation that we call the somethingness.
books.google.de/books?id=NNyxYen07XUC&pg=PT3&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=Void&f=false

William Buhlman

I asked William Buhlman via E-mail to give a short statement for my article and he kindly answered.

Sinera, Hi.
I refer to three major types of environments in Adventures Beyond the Body, Chapter 3 page 95. "Natural (raw) energy environments are completely unformed areas of the universe that appear without a specific shape or form of any kind. These areas are often described as voids, empty space or featureless."
Best of luck on your project,
William
William Buhlman (via E-mail)

Kurt Leland

I asked Kurt Leland via E-mail to make a short statement for my article and he kindly answered. His answer highlights the Void's buffer zone aspect with regard to a more traditional angle. For Kurt the Void experience or state occurs by the shifting of one body to another and therefore with it from one plane to another since bodies correspond to their planes (e.g. physical body - physical plane / astral body - astral plane / mental body - mental plane). This makes sense to me, especially when we are including the 'disabled' chakras because according to Kurt it is the first chakra that roots you in a body / plane / reality while the 2nd in a 'space' / area. His answer is thus very interesting and really gives a different and unique but also highly valuable perspective.

I haven't used this word void because it is essentially meaningless. It's not the name of a distinct place or state of consciousness, though there are places and states of consciousness that can be experienced as void of content. In my opinion, an experience of voidness means only that the required inner senses aren't available to perceive the environment or state one is in. Often this is a result of shifting from one body to another in the aura (which is probably what you mean by phasing, another fancy but probably meaningless word). It's easy to move one's awareness between the bodies and then the question arises as to whether that body's senses are capable of perceiving the plane that body operates on. Sometimes the body is turned away from the plane and an experience of voidness occurs. Sometimes, as mentioned, the inner senses aren't sufficiently developed to perceive the plane, or even presence in a different body.
In theosophical literature there is a novel explanation of four states of consciousness described in ancient Sanskrit texts: waking, dreaming, deep and dreamless sleep, and samadhi or ecstasy. For most people, waking correlates to the physical body, dreaming to the astral body, dreamless sleep to the mental body, and samadhi to the causal body. The notion of samadhi is said to correspond to the highest body you have access to, but from which you can bring back no memory of experience, except the feeling of ecstasy. That would be what is called the void in the OBE literature you asked me about.
More advanced souls bump everything up a level: They're constantly awake in both the physical and astral realms, they dream in the mental body, experience dreamless sleep in the causal body, and samadhi in the buddhic body. Really advanced souls would experience waking consciousness in the physical, astral, and mental bodies, dreaming in the causal body, dreamless sleep in the buddhic body, and samadhi in the nirvanic body.
What creates the feeling of voidness is that only one or two chakras of the body in question are active:First chakra gives the sense of being in a different body, but no sense of being in a space. The body may itself be perceived as a self-contained space; no beings, no possibility of movement. This would be one example of voidness.
Second chakra gives the sense of being in a different space or on a plane, but without perception of beings, and with no experience of movement. This would be a more expansive experience of voidness.Third chakra provides movement.Fourth chakra provides ability to perceive other beings and identify them through empathy.Fifth chakra provides ability to communicate with other entities.Sixth chakra coordinates all sense perceptions from other chakras into a coherent whole.Seventh chakra dissolves the perceptual biases of a body and plane in preparation for shifting the focus of exploration and growth to the next higher body.
(...)
As far as your own practice is concerned, it's good to hang out in the voidness, since that gets you used to being in a body. A next step would be to hang out there and request help or training for movement within that body, working with teachers in that body, and so on. A series of simulations designed to develop the inner senses of that body might then show up.
Kurt Leland (via E-mail)

Robert Bruce

I asked Robert Bruce in his forum subboard 'Ask Robert' to give a short statement for my article and he kindly answered.

This place, if it can even be called that, called The Void, seems to be a dimensional area with no structure or content.
Because of the lack of information concerning this phenomenon, anything I might say is purely speculative.
I have found myself there a dozen or so times, but not for many years. It is quiet and dark and non threatening.
Astral projectors will occasionally find themselves in the void. They are aware that they are out of body, but that is all. There is zero sensory input. It is just very quiet and dark.
There is no sense of anything...no sense of whether the area you are in is vast or small and close. No sense of up or down. Nothing.
This can be likened to being in a dark float tank. Or, like being inside your mother's womb at night while she sleeps.
Total sensory deprivation. No sense of even having a body.
The void is completely non threatening. It is very peaceful there.
At times I have found myself there, I have been unable to project elsewhere, or even to deliberately return to my physical body.
The duration of void experiences vary, but time spent there is usually not very long....some minutes or so.
Void experiences are not usually frequent occurrences.
My best advice is to just relax and meditate and wait for it to end.
peace, robert
www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?19389-The-Void-3D-Blackness&p=147196#post147196

This is also from Robert, but reported indirectly from literature via member and moderator CFTraveler on his Forum Astraldynamics:

Robert talks about projecting into the void in Mastering Astral Projection. It's also known as 3-D black, 3-D white...It is a place in-between realms, a place of possibilities, and a starting point for an astral projection.
It usually is an experience of nothingness, but sometimes it can have 'stars' which become doorways, and sometimes it can be an experience of white nothingness.
CFTraveler on Astraldynamics
www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?6877-Black-Void&p=58529#post58529

Bruce Moen

This is from the late Bruce Moen's forum. He used a special 'phasing'-related technique to access the non-physical:

One of the shifts that I experience that I could call a telltale sign of phasing is what I call the 3D Blackness.  With my eyes closed the flat, two-dimensional blackness before my eyes suddenly changes to a  blackness with depth.  As I recall Monroe used the term Velvety Blackness to describe his similar experience.  One other telltale sign is the Flying Fuzzy Zone. While peering into the two-dimensional blackness I am suddenly seeing many (100) tiny pinpoints of light all randomly moving in tight spirals. The instant I realize what has happened high pop back out of that area of onsciousness. Of these two  the 3D Blackness has been the most useful.  More detail is given in the Guidebook but basically by peering into the depths of this 3D blackness small, generally circular or spiral discontinuities and the blackness will be noticed.  By focusing attention upon one of these and intending to examine it more closely, or move toward it, interesting things happen. Typically, it would seem that shortly after I focused my attention on one of these discontinuities I would have the sense of moving toward it, and popping out on the other side of it within what ever reality or situation I had originally intended to explore.
afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1195540884

Fred Aardema

The first is an indirect quote (quote of a quote, if you will) out of his book 'Explorations In Consciousness' found on a website. This website 'Unworlding' will again be quoted from in Part III.

'To fully understand the void, it is important to realize that it does not only occur at the end of the transition process. Rather, the void constitutes a space of nothingness that exists in between all OBE environments. It is the invisible glue that permeates all conceivable environments you could possibly encounter.'
--Frederick Aardema, Explorations in Consciousness, p. 276
unworlding.com/whatsvoid

This is from him in a post of his own (now terminated) forum. He stresses the function of a 'buffer' or 'stopover' zone for travels in between dimensions / planes.

If you want a baseline to travel from, it is the void. It's not the same as a momentary state that people sometimes report during meditation. The void is the out of body state itself, completely free from physical limitations, but without having yet engaged with an environment. Cultivating that state is probably the best thing I have ever done in all my own activity.
www.explorations-in-consciousness.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-void-revisited.689/

Here are two quotes from different threads about the possibilities of senses (chakras?) turned on or off respectively:

It manifests in different ways. 1) 3D blackness with (non-physical) body awareness and tactile input is what happens when you're stumbling in dark and walking. This is the blindness people often complain about, since the visual has not yet engaged. What appears once the visual has engaged depends on expectation mostly - usually the bedroom if that's where the person was last. 2) 3D blackness with (non-physical) body awareness. This like floating in the void with a second body. 3) 3D blackness without (non-physical) body awareness. This like a black movie screen effect. It's all the same, it just depends on which faculties are operational or not. The less faculties, the better in general, in order to "get somewhere".
www.explorations-in-consciousness.com/forums/index.php?threads/meaning-of-the-void-and-frequencies.240/

I sometimes wonder whether it's really a "beginner's area", at least being able to remain in this state for prolonged period rather than rushing through it, since it really requires a lot of fine tuning and slowing down the transition process to a considerable extent in order to be able hit the void in an asomatic way without a second body. Even with no real body awareness, vibrations are quite likely, since body awareness is only just around the corner in the background. Btw...one can still float around in the void with a second body, which I occasionally end up doing when I forget to let go of non-physical body awareness during the transition. I prefer the mind-like experience though. Either way, it's quite a great thing, and like you you, I don't mind living there. Did you notice how crystal clear awareness is in the void? That's what I like about it.
www.explorations-in-consciousness.com/forums/index.php?threads/experiencing-the-void.213/

Nick Newport

Nick Newport is or was another internet teacher and expert. He had a nice YouTube channel and a course concept called 'Lucidology' on his website but there have been no more updates for years. It is always worth the time watching some of his old videos though:

www.youtube.com/user/LucidDreamTricks/featuredwww.lucidology.com/

I cannot quote what he said about The Void directly since what I have is from non-published material from his 'Oversoul'-course. There he also treated the 'buffer zones' of the non-physical which touches on The Void:

How To Navigate The Nonphysical Planes Using Buffer Zones The nonphysical world has a very specific structure and you can use this knowledge to get around and explore much more easily.
www.lucidology.com/oversoul/

From this material I can summarise in my own words that he talked about 'black and 'white' buffer zones which you can use in order to navigate between planes. In his experience the structure is as follows:

astral plane 1 <--> white buffer zone <---> black buffer zone <--> astral plane 2 <--> and so on

So Nick Newport experienced the black Void and the white Void used for navigation purposes between reality planes.

Of course, this succession is logical since anything turns more to light while you are in the black Void and enter a new reality, which you do with your intent and/or by activating your 'astral' body (By the way, in my view the most famous and effective method applied against 'exit blindness' and for entering a 'reality plane' is clapping or rubbing your astral hands).

A white zone would thus make sense. From my own experience however I cannot confirm or remember a specific all-white zone. For me it always is a kind of fading into the scene which first is dark and gradually gets more brighter and clearer the more I 'anchor' myself with techniques in this astral plane until I'm 'there' probaby at full daylight. It is like turning on a dimmer light gradually.

Newport also mentions that the Oversoul (hence the course name) or 'Higher Self' exists or can be visualised as a 'disk' or 'jelly fish' floating in the 'Black Void'.

The Higher Self visualisation concept of a 'Soul Disc' goes back to Bruce Moen, while the 'Jelly-Fish in Black Space' goes back to the author Val Valerian. While I have read two books by Bruce Moen I do not know Valerian's works. However, just take a look at the cover of one of his books and you can clearly see it illustrated as the jelly-fish in the Void / black space with 'dangling' incarnations / avatars 'below' it and the 'Source' above it:

SEE GALLERY: PIC 2 - MATRIX BOOK

Graham Nicholls

This is a transcript taken from this YouTube video 'What Does Astral Projection Feel Like'. I edited and adjusted it a little as readable text because it is automatically transcripted by YouTube's software from spoken language. He also describes the Void as a springboard for entering an astral plane or any out-of-body experience. In his view it is thus not (yet) part of the OBE, but a preliminary state.

(...) A void state is quite commonly described which is essentially like being in a kind of womb like state where you're conscious but only just. There's no visual dimension, there's no really complex thought. It's just like being in some kind of really deep meditational state and that can often then from lead to an out-of-body experience. Some people describe it as the first stage of their out-of-body experience but in most cases that I've worked with it happens prior to the out-of-body experience. (...)

Juergen Ziewe

Juergen Ziewe did not answer my e-mail request but I found something interesting on his website about 'Voids' he encountered in his travels and on another page an account with regard to the creation of the universe and the 'Big Bang' in relation to sound. (I will get to the issue of primordial sound vs. light in creation in Part V again).
Voids:

On some occasions other travellers, and I myself, have experienced traveling through voids or blackness. Whether these are actual environments or a product of our inability to tune into the new super-dimensional environment is not clear. Some people may argue that we create all the experience on the hoof so to speak and there could simply be an inability of our brains to generate the information quickly enough, (because of the unusual state it is in) to do so. I, personally, have experienced environments which were no more than empty spaces, with, for example, lights floating by or bands of colour until, when deepening my awareness or wakefulness, I have found some kind of environment emerging.
www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Life_after_death_-_a_description_of_the_afterlife.html

I requested consciousness to be taken to the “Big Bang”. Suspended within a black void and in full waking consciousness I observed four sounds with their wave forms which influence and modified one another on feedback. A feedback of incredible harmonies and of increasing complexity, escalating and generating an almost infinite complexity of wave forms. At one point the experience became all too much for me and I returned to the relative comfort of my physical identity, but I figured that the feedback process may have reached such a high degree of intensity that it may have finally exploded into a “Big Bang”, but that I did not see.
www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/What_was_before_the_Big_Bang.html

Part III - Internet Forums & Articles (Astral Projectors)

This part is strucured by the source (URL). I also could have structured it by topics but the repetition here and there of the same experiences and conclusions by astral projectors will equally prove that there is a lot of corroboration and consistency, just as it has been shown in Part II with the well-known experts.

Most links lead to the forums and messageboards most commonly used by OBErs. Then there are also some other 'private' websites and blogs. Others include collections of many experiences (like OBERF).

Instead of providing links to individual posts or different pages I just add the thread or sub-page link first and then the quotes of some posts from this same thread below it. If possible I will also post the user/avatar names which shows that it is different people posting about this same topic in that forum/thread. Of course, some posters can also reappear with several posts.

Note that quotes are literal 'citations' and therefore they are not really edited by me. I normally leave spelling mistakes or 'bad grammar' like it is. (By the way, since I am not a native speaker of English you might have noticed by now that I certainly do not have the best grammar myself). As some of us might know from 'academic' quoting techniques, dots in parenthesis (...) indicate an omission by me if the citation would have been too long or offtopic in that part, letters in brackets [x] indicate a changed letter to keep up 'some' sentence grammar for clipped passages, mostly the change is just from a lower case to a capital letter. I also delete any occurring free lines separating paragraphs in order to save space in this already very long article.

Also please note again that the links for the now defunct EIC forum are inactive. I still entered them here to show the thread titles and that they were legit. The forum Astralvoid (mind the name!) is also broken, but as done with EIC I also had copied the post in a word processing document in 2017. I vouch for the authenticity of all quotes with broken links.

Regarding the content you will notice repeated elements by different members in various forums or forum threads, such as hearing music or voices, being in a white, black, smokey or starfield Void (see my Types A-C), its use as a launchpad to the astral planes or a buffer zone, its use for meditation, and many more. As said above, this article is mainly about corroboration. I will not comment a lot here since the quotes speak for themselves.

Unworlding Website

unworlding.com/intromap.htmlunworlding.com/whatsvoid.html

This website owner developed their own terminology based on Monroe's Focus levels and some Carlos Castaneda terms. However even he/she uses the term 'Void' for describing the 'Nowhere' state or place.

The following correspondences exist between Monroe's most basic Focus levels and my Map to the Unworld. I've added a few categories named by Carlos Castaneda (CC):
Timespace > Earthville
Internal Dialog (CC) > The Froth
Focus 3 > Forced Noticing
Focus10 > Spontaneous Noticing
Focus 12 > The Projection Room
Focus 21 > The Nowhere
The Nowhere is often called the void, the 3D blackness, and many other names. The Urumara and the Projection Room proper are part of the Nowhere, and the transit through the Tunnel and out of it into the Unworld is powered by the Nowhere, which is also the heart chakra. The Nowhere occurs as a transition zone between any two states. It's three dimensional, but since it can have a thickness of zero, unworlders can pass through it without noticing it. Often when
we think we're lying in bed with our eyes closed--especially when waking up from a dream--we are really in the Nowhere, which is the gateway to anywhere in the Unworld or back into your usual physical reality.

Here is an interesting comparison to 'exit blindness' (Type A) and a description of the Void as the ultimate 'sci-fi' transport portal:

I prefer to call it the Nowhere.
The Void, also known as the 3-dimensional blackness, or Focus 21, among its many names, is said to be a launch pad into any other state. Why?
The names we call it--the void, the Nowhere, the 3D blackness, etc.--suggest it is a vacuum of sorts, a place where other things are not. A place of nothingness. And it is this very nothingness that makes it a sponge for anything. As a sort of vacuum, it attracts whatever state you are closest to achieving, Intent-wise. Intent is like your current default. Even the notion of a default setting suggests the way a vacuum works: in the absence of some other volitional act, a pre-existing default setting automatically asserts itself.
We all have our hopes and dreams and fears and phobias and fantasies and  what-not. Well, when you stand in the Nowhere (the 3D void), whatever you have next in line, Intent-wise, in your innermost innards, that is the thing that is automatically sucked into the Nowhere with you. So, if you're not sure what you have lined up in Intent, go float around in the Nowhere and you'll find out.
Naturally the analogy of things getting sucked into a place is incorrect. Nothing travels anywhere. This is good, because it means that results are instantaneous. What you Intend... IS. No lag, no travel time. The Nowhere is the ultimate sci-fi portal, the door to anything. As the embodiment of nothingness, the Nowhere is easy to miss, easy to pass through without noticing, or to mistake for something mundane. A common thing to mistake it for is a non-existent thing I'll call 'OBE blindness'. Often when people first experience a state of expanded awareness, they don't see anything. Habitually interpreting their experience in physical terms, they assume they are blind. But in fact, they are in the Nowhere. Not only does the Nowhere lead to all possible states; it's also where you end up on the way out of any state. Sometimes too quickly to notice, but I have experienced it in this way. The other common mistake is to assume that ending up in the Nowhere is the end of the unworlding experience. You think you're laying in bed with your eyes closed when in fact you're in the Nowhere and could theoretically have any experience you want, if you were better prepared. Awareness of the physical should never keep you from trying to unworld.
Mistaking the Nowhere for blindness as commonly happens at the beginning or the end of the unworlding experience has made it easy for me to miss the convenient opportunity it affords to experience next anything I want, or more accurately, whatever I happen to have lined up next in Intent.

Astral Pulse Forum (Former Owner: Robert Bruce)

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/3d_blackness-t44764.0.html

It's a empty vast void. Sometimes it can appear as a grey mist, other times it's completely black. But what makes this area so unique is the depth that it appears to have. When you see it or are in it, you definitely know you are!  ;-)
 When you experience it, it is crucial to control your thoughts. You are in the thick of THOUGHTS = ACTIONS "territory".
(...)
It's total peace and tranquility at it's best!  ;-)
 You can use it as your "launching pad" or you can just absorb yourself into it and relax!
- Lionheart

Some people see pinpoints of light that may be or resemble a star field. I just get an infinite blackness, sometimes flat black, sometimes an inky depth.
It's a wonderful, quiet, peaceful place to hang out in; or you can express your intent and move into the blackness. Other times you can look into the darkness and find a texture or depth to it, which indicates a portal to somewhere and an experience.
I arrive there between experiences mostly, but I have started there once or twice. It's a jumping off point to many dimensions. Also a great little vacation hotspot.
I'm not sure that Frank ever changed his opinion that the Void was Monroe's Focus 21, the entrance to the Astral levels.
- Escape Velocity

If you can pull yourself out of a lucid dream very slowly, you'll be in this 3D void. No thoughts of anywhere else, including your body or you'll take off from this launchpad. It's THE place to do your best in staying as long as you can enjoying is pure tranquility. The ultimate personal pure conciousness of self can be realised here.
- Szaxx

This is the only way I know how to project. I run as fast as I can from LD and everything goes black. It isn't peaceful or still though. It's more like I'm hurtling through space and I can't stop. If I make a request 'take me somewhere' or or whatever I get dropped into a scene but I haven't managed to stay there for too long. I've tried staring into the blackness but to no avail. When I leave a scene by say flyinfg upwards, I get back there but again not for too long. Also it looks mostly like space with twinkling dots of light. Once I saw planets with numbers on them too so maybe it isn't the void after all... I've  only done this like half a dozen times in the last couple of months though so maybe inexperience counts for something.
- sheriff_rango

I experience this "star field" effect and it's what helps me get into the full blown 3D black void. Glad to hear others experience it as well, I don't believe I'd read that anywhere
- dotster

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/is_this_the_void-t45239.0.html

If I relax, clear my thoughts and then close my eyes in a dark environment I quickly begin to faintly 'see' what appears to be billions of clustered little points of light slowly swirling against a dark backdrop. If I remain calmly observing the points of light they become progressively more in focus and brighter while the backdrop seems to darken to almost pitch black. It almost seems as if I were looking at the stars in the sky on a really, really dark night somewhere out in the boondocks far away from most light pollution. I'm sure most of you have had the fortune to see such a beautiful night sky sometime in your lives, especially if you ever lived in rural areas. Anyhow, when I try to have an OBE there comes a point where this visual suddenly becomes 3 dimensional and now instead of looking at the stars from a frontal position I'm seemingly surrounded by them everywhere as if I was a point of consciousness 'floating' in space or something. Sometimes these 'stars' start flashing past me as if I were on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise when Scotty gets the order to hit Warp 2. (Just thought I'd throw the Trekkie reference in for my fellow old-timers :-).) I also have what I guess I would describe as being a heightened sense of awareness during the experience, even though I'm usually not 'thinking' of anything in particular at the time. I'd call it a general sharpness-of-mind kinda sensation.
I find that this state has an extremely calming effect, however the heightened awareness takes a constant effort to maintain. The focus requires continual attention. I use the Monroe technique of willing myself AWARE! and that seems to give me a temporary boost for another few seconds, but then I lose it and quickly start to fade off into a dreamy sleepiness. I can never seem to maintain the level of heightened awareness for more than a few seconds at a time between bouts of fighting-off sleep and random vivid images that start popping into view as I drift off.
- Permanently Grounded

You may get a star field or you might just get inky darkness. Either take time to relax within it, or use it as a launching point with a proper Intent applied; go wherever you choose. It is an AP, just an in-between point; a transition way-station. It doesn't matter when you encounter it, either before a projection or between, that probably doesn't change it's function. Define it however you like, just realize its' utility; go from there wherever you desire.
- Escape Velocity

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/3d_blackness-t2897.0.html

This one is indeed the oldest thread I found about The Void on the Astralpulse dating back to 2002. Yes, the Astralpulse is that old! Note that 'phasing' is another term for 'projecting' more or less, it is based on Robert Monroe, too. It is more akin to meditational techniques using relaxation and visualisation as its main induction tools.
I have concluded that accessing this "3D blackness" is an extremely imporyant aspect of phasing - it seems to be the very borderline from where the Astral is accessed by any one of a number of methods, including tunnels.
- Adrian

The 3D blackness is an area of consciousness... and apparently sort of like a central hubb where we can from there travel to wherever we desire in the nonphysical.
- Ginny

I would say that being in the 3D blackness means that you are in a very relaxed state, but to be in a very relaxed state does not mean that you're in the 3D blackness.
A lot of people have trouble imaging what this 3D blackness is like, so I will try to give you a visual example.  Imagine that you walk into your bedroom, and everything is pitch black.  I'm talking NO source of light anywhere. THe blackness you will see would be very two dimensional and flat. You may see flashes of light or sparkles, but for the most part, there is no substance to this blackness.
Now, imagine that there is a slight (and I do mean slight) illumination coming from another room, which seeps into your bedroom from the bottom of your closed bedroom door.  It will still be very dark in your room, but now you can make out shapes.
Just ahead of you, you may be able to see the outline of your dresser.  You might sense your nightstand on your left. It's that kind of FEELING that I get when I'm in the 3D blackness. There is a depth that comes with it which allows me to 'move' around it and focus on different things.
- Jeff Mash

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/the_void_the_nothing_vacant_stillness-t7028.0.html

This is the second oldest thread I found on the Void. It is from 2003. There you also see a quote from forum member Gandalf who is the one who compiled the Frank Kepple Resource referenced extensively in Part II. He also makes yet another reference to listening to music. He aligns the Void though with Focus 12 instead of Kepple who saw it as Focus 21 (which can't be erroneously transposed digits because Gandalf would have done so twice then).
I liked the Void to me it is beautiful and peaceful, without thought for the physical I wait in wonder with only the revelation that I am.
- kromeknight

I found it peaceful. I also found that there's more than one 'place' you can consider 'the void'. I discovered several other things too....  what you think of as a void might only be so because you aren't 'seeing' what it really is. Consider it.  When in a void you tend to fill it with things that may be parts of you, or emanations from you. (fear) You could make the void a terrible place, or you could try to discover your way through it.
- Spirit_k9

Hello all, I have had a handfull of experiences in the void, from what I gather so far, the void seems to be a place where one can access all dimensions both upper and lower, I have demanded to go to places in the void, I remember feeling cool air (?) blowing around me, than the place i demanded to go to slowly come to view, all amazing stuff, i felt no fear in the void at all.
- manuel

Yes, the 'void' is very well known to those of the Monroe school ilk (refered to as focus 12)
I prefer to use the term '3d blackness'; this is usually experienced when meditating or using hemi-sync. Basically, the 2d blackness in front of your eyelids (providing its dark of course!) becomes 3 dimensional and you find yourself floating in a peaceful black void.
'Monroe school' types tend to view the '3d blackness' state as the 'bridge' between your own mind and the astral; its where the two meet. As such it allows you to go anywhere you want in the astral given the right intent.
Btw, the 3d blackness state does not have to be empty; as it is where your mind and the astral meet, you can influence it to a great extent. eg next time you are there imagine your favourite piece of music; you will actually hear it all around you in fantastic dolby 5.1000000000!
To use the 3d blackness as an astral bridge: once there, you just place intent to go to some specific astral region and you will see some swirling coloured patttern in the 3dblackness. Concentrate on these and they will form into a 3d 'astral screen' (focus22) which you can then enter to visit that realm.
Of course, quite often people who reach the focus 12 (void/3dblackness) level prefer not to do anything and just drift in a nice peaceful state, just contemplating things, or nothing at all and as I said, you can choose to do this with your favourite piece of music playing all around you, in a way you've never experienced before (note: I wouldnt recommend 'deth metal' tunes for this one
Nice as this is though, eventully you will tire of this and want to get to the astral proper to do some work!
- Gandalf

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/what_do_you_do_once_you_enter_the_dark_void-t40262.0.html

To me, it's the reality-less reality frame. It's what you experience when you've removed yourself from one reality frame and haven't yet begun receiving information about another. It's the in-between. Sometimes you experience it going from place to place... sometimes you don't. I've only directly experienced it going into and coming out of a projection. Only very rarely has it happened to me in the middle of one.
- Xanth

From the void you can ask for an experience of your choice or even ask to be shown something you need to learn. Its the ultimate launchpad.
It's possible to see future events too from here. Try and be specific too. A general idea will result in an experience and it may be related but directly what you want.
(...)
To get away from anything related to your physical body.
In the (probably F21) there's only your conciousness left. You're on your own and all around you is very peaceful. You can imagine being inside a massive cavern somewhere. It has that kind of feel to it. Any strong thoughts and you're out of it in some location related.
There's too many F's for my likeing. The first one has a link to the body and as things deepen you end up as far as possible into this blissful darkness.
- Szaxx

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/i_started_make_progress_again_after_watching_tom_campbell_question_about_void-t46122.0.html

Getting to the state of the void from a pure meditation takes a long time in my experience. You will probably have little doubt about this state when it happens to you as it is somewhat distinct. You will find that the blackness has a mysterious 3d quality about it and the sensation is that you have lost all perception of this reality; you are only aware of being a consciousness in this space.
- ThaomasOfGrey

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/swirling_waves_of_darkness_anyone_else-t45088.0.html

This thread called 'swirling waves of darkness' is interesting due to the many differing but yet similar descriptions of the Type B Void.
... I always see this as I'm starting to "shift".  It's one of those things that is consistent with every OBE I've had.  Always the beginning stage... "blast off", so to speak.  Does anyone else experience this effect too?  What/Where the hell is it?
In detail:  eyes shut - blackness w/ millions of little bright dots that are vibrating. Focus on one area.  Waves of black smoke/inkblot-like --- begins swirling across my field of view... more intense as time goes by.  All the while seeing different shapes and flashes of light in it's background.  And the "feeling" that I'm about to go for a ride.
- blaktatt

This may be your personal interpretation of what many of us experience as the 3 Dimensional Void/Blackness.
Most explorers experience an infinite flat blackness that has some kind of indescribable depth to it (hence the 3D). A smaller percentage get the multitude of pinpoint lights as you describe.
When expressing an Intent or request to shift to a new perspective, most experience a shiftin the 2 dimensional quality which attracts their attention. This may be represented by your swirling black/inkblot smoke experience.
It's very good that you notice the 'feeling' associated with the experience. Getting familiar with and learning from this 'feeling' in all Astral experiences is beneficial and necessary to your progress.
It's your personal launch-point, maybe...enjoy! Get to know it, make it your best friend! Express your Intent and GO!!!
- Escape Velocity

I get the void with the millions of tiny lights too. I have seen the smoke at times in certain circumstances.
- soarin12

Also, yeah, lots of sparkly lights for me too. Like I'm in outer (rather than 'inner'!) space. Also I'm generally speeding through like a rocket. I'd like to hang out there a little but a scene always materialises as soon as I say 'I wanna stay here!'
- sheriff_rango

www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/does_the_void_have_a_personality-t45026.0.html;topicseen

This thread has the interesting question if there's 'personality' behind the Void, also in connection with the 'usage' issue. I will address this question again in Parts IV and V where I will be giving my own viewpoint. Here we also have information gathering, including future predictions, and music again.

When I'm in the void (or what I believe to be the void) I tend to automatically talk to it like I'm talking to a person, like there is someone watching or listening out there in the darkness. I experiment with different commands like 'Take me to my higher self', 'Take me where I need to be' etc.  Recently, I tried 'Take me home' and I ended up in an apartment just floating from room to room. When this faded I tried the same command  twice more with similar results.
Once there was a corpse that came back to life (not scary - I created and neutralised it as it was being created, I think) and there was a woman in the next. In both I again just floated around each room and even ended up in a pantry rifling through the spice rack! .It was perplexing and I couldn't understand why I was there. When I awoke I finally realised that I'd gotten exactly what I'd asked for  - to go 'home', literally and I then saw the funny side of it. This has left me wondering if the void has a  personality.
- sheriff_rango

You COULD kind of say it has a personality.  It's a reflection of the nothing within you.  If that even makes any sense.
Through the void, you have access to everything.  As you said... ask what you want and see what happens.  Does that dictate an intelligence?  Well, I think it's YOUR consciousness at work... so if you'd consider yourself intelligent, then yes. ;-)
- Xanth

Yes!  I call it God.  I also don't disagree with Xanth's answer because our consciousness is the God consciousness. It's all connected. (We just don't realize it and know how to access the fullness of it at present)
I've asked to hear music in the void and heard amazing symphonies and other pieces of music that I've never heard before on earth.
I've asked some other questions too and got answers. 2 nights ago I asked to see an 'atom' and a big energy cloud from the void constructed what appeared to be one.  You could see all the moving parts.  It was pretty neat.
- soarin12

I think the void is probably astral sight not really opening up. It's a projection I'm pretty sure but one where you cannot see. I agree with the state ment about God being there. My experience is that the music is shadow and coming from you but wow it is very beautiful. Not all things coming from you are scary things. sometimes very beautiful things are there too.
- Bluefirephoenix

Slowly wake yourself and you'll end up in the void. You can see but there's not much too see unless you manifest something.From this lauchpad you can experience anything.
You might want to try and get the next weeks lottery numbers lol. From my experiences, the future IS obtainable in exact detail. Be careful what you ask for, the details can be overwhelming.
It's very tranquil too, definately worth heading for.
- Szaxx

Astral Dynamics Forum (Owner: Robert Bruce)

www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?6174-An-experience-of-the-Void

I was in the Void. I don't know much about this, I haven't read much, only heard it in passing. In Hinduism, it's the basic "true form" of Brahman, the Source of everything. And in the Bible, it's the state that existed "in the beginning". I think most religions and traditions have this concept of the "nothing" that was here before the start of creation.
Anyway, I found myself in infinite... nothing. It was completely dark. I was completely still and quiet. There was just nothing. No time, no entities, no objects, no light, no sound, nothing. It was just nothing, and it was infinite. There was only consciousness, and I was it (only there was no "me" in the usual sense of it, because here was just nothing but awareness of the nothing, if that makes sense).
And then, strangely, my mind started to wander and as it did, the nothingness started to become less nothing, and things like stars were starting to be there. My mind wandered to a television show I'd watched earlier for some eason, and when I "came back" I saw that I was actually in some aspect of the material world again. I had the sense that my mind wandering was sort of supposed to happen, and that because my mind was wandering, things were being created.
Now, a lot of this I already "knew", but to actually experience it is quite something. This was not just normal meditation and the three-dimensional blackness. This was something quite different, and very profound. I don't even know yet what this will do to me. Right now I feel quite weird and spaced out, and I don't know what to make of it.
- Butterfly Woman

There are three different classes of experiences referred to as 'the void'. Not surprisingly, due to lack of landmarks, they are very hard to tell apart.
1) a place sufficiently outside your previous experience or a where you lack appropriate senses: this is not truly a void but you assume it is because you can't sense or interact with anything. More energy usually helps with this one. Also with NEW could be a failure to transfer your complete memories to your brain on reintegration
2) a featureless blank area: these occur in much of and between the multidimensions, much like the vast tracts of intergalactic space in our universe. This is the classic physics definition of void. These can be enormously vast so that you can not perceive objects on the far side. This can happen if you loose focus when traveling to another dimension.
3) the 'level' of consciousness ('below' the oneness perceived as bright white): This is mostly a perspective problem as this dimension is entirely unmanifest. Nothing has perceivable substance so normal and PSI senses have no input. Knowing will still work here. Even though seeing is impossible, visualization can used in connection with thoughts. Even though there is nothing to hear, conversations with the consciousness can occur as if it was heard. This dimension is generally timeless which has the effect that you usually must initiate an interaction for anything to 'happen'.
a) a block created by attempting to perceive something you are not ready to perceive: this is not a void but can be mistaken for one. This experience carries an emotion overtone (usually trauma) which is often missed at the time and blocked when attempting to recall.
- wstein

(As a small side note regarding the last quote: I did not leave out any item 3b (or following) in weinstein's post, either he deleted it himself or forgot about his own post structure altogether.)

My Big T.O.E Forum (Owner: Tom Campbell)

In the first post we have again the blurry field of where to put the Void in the Monroe Focus Level model. Either 10, 15 or 21? Or 'somewhere' in between? The post refers to different sources here. Remember: The map is never the landscape and also Tom Campbell said that the numbers were chosen arbitrarily by Monroe and the system is to be understood as a 'tool'  (quote added below). Also some of the other quotes might be representations of Void entries from meditation or direct AP methods.

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2848&p=4818&#p4818

I thought I remembered Focus 10 being described as the void, but ran across some things yesterday and noticed it was Focus 15 that had been described as that
(...)
"Timeline encouraged us to explore the powerful stillness of Focus 15, a place many of us have perceived as the Void, a great emptiness where nothing much happens. "Sublime stillness" might be more accurate. When you truly embrace the emptiness even for a heartbeat.well, each one's experience is unique."
(...)
"Focus 15 is the Monroe term for a state of consciousness that is outside of time. All times and places are accessible from this state. A lot of people experience it as a blackness or void, kind of a primordial, womb-like experience. Some people like that, and some don't. I didn't much care for Focus 15 at first, because nothing ever seemed to happen there, unlike some other focus levels in which things just suddenly popped up without any effort or intention on my part. You have to learn how to kick-start things in Focus 15, how to navigate through it. Once you get the hang of it, you can use Focus 15 to explore other times, for example."
- JoshM

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2848&p=4818&#p4635

… keep in mind that Monroe's hierarchy of focus levels are tools, and as such are arbitrary not fundamental. ...
- Tom Campbell

Another term used by Campbell and his community is 'point consciousness' for the 'perfect' Void state:

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9851&p=89981&#p89981

Point consciousness is where you are able to shut of the PMR data stream. You just sort of float, or exist in a sea of blackness without any sensory input from your body. From there you can heal, access other data streams, meet other entities, etc. You have to be able to shut off your internal dialog for quite awhile to get to the "point consciousness" stage. And you may experience it a bit differently than I describe as each experience is subjective.
- Sainbury

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10345&p=95236&#p95236

(...) on occasion I think I've found myself in the void, (point of consciousness?) quite a few times because it seems to be very similar to what I've heard or read about. Sometimes it's accompanied or close to the vibrations or frequency. The first time I saw it when I was young, it scared me because I thought I died. There was no body. Just blackness. Other times after that I tried not to think much about what was happening. About a year ago when I seemed to be out in the void, I called out, "Robert Monroe" to see if I would hear anything back. I was a little startled when I heard a thick low electronic sounding voice say "Adrian" right before I started fading back to my bed. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was just me. I know my mind can, and will, make up a lot of the things I see and hear. I also understand that what I think is the void may not be the void, even though it may seem like it. Maybe it's just a dark lucid dream where anything seems to be possible. Although I also noticed that this void seems to be where I am at before I enter a lucid dream and after I leave a lucid dream.
- Chromozen / Adrian

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10039&p=96036&#p96036

The "blackness" in front of my eyes tends to become 3D-ish and is usually accompanied by a white swirling light in the middle. Something usually tends to happen if I focus on it in my mind but my physical eyes tend to interfere and move, bringing me back.
I think the main indicator though is a silent mind. If you get to the point where you stop talking to yourself and your thoughts then you are just there in stillness.
- Kiesen

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8553&p=76393&#p76242

Today i was trying to get lucid dream,i was visualizating some scenario and after about 30 minutes i started to separate from body,i found my self in black void,it was all fuzzy so i think; "clarity now!",next thing i see was like in star trek,stars are passing by me,then i stop,i seen big field of stars,bright dots,i think i pass thru one,it was like cell,living organism.
- Damir

www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9368&p=84969&s#p84969

I've been meditating now ( well trying too) for about a year, and sometimes I feel I really let go and get that wierd feeling of being nowhere in a blackness feeling light and as if im swirling .. could be the void... but other times I feel like im just laid with my eyes shut.
- turbo / John

OBERF (Out-Of-Body-Experience Foundation) Collection Site (Owner: Jeffrey Long)

Most of these examples might be longer AP experiences (see original links for the 'whole story' if interested). For the purpose of this article I restrict myself to the parts about being in the Void. Jeffrey Long is a medical doctor who also created the NDERF website and based on the multitudes of gathered accounts wrote the book about NDEs called 'Evidence of the Afterlife' which I absolutely recommend. OBERF is a kind of 'sister site' with AP/OBE accounts. I am certain there is more to find on The Void or Blackness, but I will stick to these few accounts.

www.oberf.org/jasna_p_other.htm

The next instant I am floating in this blackness - it's over and below me, all around me. Nothing but black blackness. I am in an infinite black void. I am weightless. It's so peaceful. It's so welcoming. A thought crosses my mind "why did I fight so hard not to get here? why was I so afraid?" - but I don't really care. It doesn't matter. The black void envelopes me. It rocks me gently. It loves me. I am one with it. I share in it's peace and tranquility. This is where I belong. I am snug and safe as in a womb.
(...)
The next instant - again without any transition - I am floating up a black tunnel with light at the end of it. I know it is the extension of the black void and the black void feelings are with me - calm, peace, serenity, harmony. I can't even say that they are feelings because for that there must be someone who feels them. Rather - I am serenity and harmony.
- Jasna P.

www.oberf.org/matthew_obe.htm

The next thing I knew, I was floating in a dark void. I couldn't see my body but felt that my "body" was there. I knew I was complete but didn't really have a body at all. And even though I seemed to be all alone in a vast dark void, I had no fear. In fact, I felt fantastic. I knew I wasn't in my body anymore and even "knew" that I was dead, but I still existed. And this made me feel even more ecstatic. All my life growing up in the funeral business I had always worried that all the religions were wrong and we might just be gone once we die. But here I was, standing in the void, completely separate from my physical body and I was still here, still thinking and aware. I had the wonderful feeling of knowing I was still alive and would be for eternity.
- Matthew

www.oberf.org/helen_n's_obe.htm

(note: due to a 'bug' with the '-sign the URL is not recognized and shows a broken link, you can copy the link adress as text and paste it into the browser bar to view the source)

I can only remember I seemed to be floating/flying in a dark void. There seemed nothing around me, as I was going 'up'.  I seemed to be wearing a long white gown. I can remember my long hair whipping around my face as I 'saw' myself being propelled higher into the vast nothingness.The next thing I seem to remember hearing my voice crying: "I want my world back; I want my world back!"  Then I was 'waking up' and my hands were opening and closing, grasping the covers on a hospital bed (...)
- Helen

www.oberf.org/alan_z's_ste.htm

(note: due to a 'bug' with the '-sign the URL is not recognized and shows a broken link, you can copy the link adress as text and paste it into the browser bar to view the source)

I was violently thrust through what felt like grayish veils toward a super bright white light.  Immediately, I found myself in a clear, colorless void, perfectly calm.  I said to myself "I'm dead.  What ever that was just killed me."  After a pause, I said "I can know all there is to know right now.....but I'm not ready."
Right then, I heard a faint groaning/whimpering sound that got louder as I felt myself getting pulled rapidly from behind downwards.  All of a sudden I was in my bed gasping for air.  My hand was behind my neck for cervical support, and I became concerned that my loud gasping had woken up my other housemates.  Then, very quickly, I found myself in another, darker void.  In front of me was a floating sphere of bright, liquid-like colored swirls that represented my life.  An extremely rapid life review took place and a very calm voice said "All the issues of your life shall be resolved."
I heard music, excerpts from a song I'd heard a few week earlier at a school drama production of "Hair".  The music I heard was a chorus singing "Let the sun shine in".  Then, I was in my bed feeling a profound peace, looking up into my dimly lit room with warm tears of gratitude rolling down my face.  I knew I'd been given a gift.  I knew in that moment that all of life is a classroom and we are here to learn to love. And, that this reality is like a dream, and that we are all interconnected.   A few days later I recall looking out the airplane window on my way to India and realizing that I had no fear of death.
- Alan

Explorations In Consciousness Forum (Owner: Fred Ardeema)

I decided not to include the quotes anymore since I copied the text into a document when it still existed, but not the member names for each post. I only marked a quote by Fred Ardeema himself by colouring it green. These quotes can thus be found above in his own section in Part II.
I can ensure that there were many discussion threads about this on the EIC and some interesting descriptions too. I am just listing this here with a header to ackknowledge this fact. However, the mass of quotes and different sources I have already gathered here from the other many sources will in my view do enough to underline my point of corroboration and repetition of the same experience by many practicioners.

The Gathering Spot

www.gatheringspot.net/topic/obende/void

The Void
Shortly after my first OBE I have had another life changing experience happen to me. This time I did not really go "out" of my body, but instead went into the depths beyond.I was lying down on the floor, watching my breath and feeling my body sink into the floor, when suddenly there was a shift of awareness. Suddenly, the floor beneath me vanished, and my sense of being shifted so deep inside, that I was beyond the physical body, the physical-energetic counterpart and the mind that connected me to the body. I was suspended in the void, and there was nothing except all-pervasive Peace and Love. This was the place where all creation came from, it was the unmanifested wholeness of the entire universe. There was nothing, but there was everything there, and Love, pure Love as far as awareness can reach. At the same time I did project – I was still connected with my body, and actually my level of physical awareness was much, much higher and clearer than it normally is. It was very interesting to watch this whole thing happen. I was… I guess I just was. Then there was the mind, which was like a surface of a clear lake, and through the mind there was a link to the body – physical and physical-energetic. Watching my mind from this perspective was like watching a bowl of soup, and choosing not to stir it. There was no need for thought at all. To think took a very conscious effort, and I wondered what it was like to think. I created a thought, and it felt so solid, like an iceberg rising from the surface of a lake, and another one built up on it, and another one, they rose like great mountains out of thin air. They weren’t thoughts about anything, they were just thoughts. And each rose more and more of itself. Then I withdrew my awareness, and all of these mountains collapsed into completely nothing. The mind was again a thin transparent film, a surface of a clear lake. The thoughts came out of nothing and ended up in nothing.
- Andrey

Reddit

www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/32b6cl/encounters_with_the_void/

This has references to the Monroe and Kepple systems in the reply.

I've had two experiences in which I feel I left my body and each time I've ended up there. One was when I was 5 or 6 and I remember a strange "dream" where I was falling through an outer space-like void unable to wake up or open my eyes. I was only able to move once I "landed" back in my body. Fast forward to age 19 when I became interested in AP and lucid dreaming, etc. I had a strong intention one night to have a lucid dream. I was in bed on the verge of sleep and I cleared my mind and tried to meditate. My eyes were closed and the lights were off in the room so all I saw was darkness. All of a sudden the darkness just expanded and my awareness was in what seemed to be in the void again. I felt as though I had moved forward past some kind of threshold. I feel pretty certain this is the same void or place I experienced before.
- thagirlnextdior

Amazing! You either just entered Robert Monroe's focus 10/12(It's probably 10/12 if there wasn't any experience between being awake and in the void) or have reached beyond Monroe's focus level 21, also known reaching beyond Franks focus level 2. Going through the void was described by both as reaching a certain next level of out of body experience, you're maybe getting near purgatory, heavens, your personal soul quest and a whole lot more.
(...)
I'm learning to astral project by using Monroe's Hemi-Sync Gateway Experience tapes which takes you to focus level 21, after that I would have to learn to project without the tapes and go through the void to reach beyond that focus level, reaching within Monroe's focus level 23,24,25,26,27 also known as Frank's focus level 3.
- Cambesa

Karen's OBE Blog

Here we have starry blackness as well as complete blackness. The use of The Void as a travel hub. And strange beautiful music again!

karen659.blogspot.com/2008/01/42-busy-oobe-night.html

I tried to re-induce my altered state, and quickly found myself OOB and traveling at lightning speed backward through the starry blackness that I usually travel in, being very much aware that ‘finally! I’m going someplace!’ It was so fast and so long that I had the time to think,’hey, maybe I should try to turn around and face forward!’ So I did!

karen659.blogspot.com/2010/11/133-re-learning-affirmations-and.html

I was taken to an area of complete blackness, a sensation of ‘nothingness’ and nothing with form anywhere to be found. I was floating but still thinking so clearly! I heard the most beautiful music and felt such peace and happiness, and was trying to think exactly what type of instrument could be making such beautiful sounds when I felt that slight transition as if I was going back to body!

Unlimited Boundaries

www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2013/07/26/whats-the-blackness-in-the-3d-blackness/www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2013/08/07/astral-projection-facebook-question-response/

[T]he 3D “blackness” doesn’t LITERALLY mean “blackness”. It just means… “empty space”. Or a lack of visual sensory input. Does that help?
Here’s a quick exercise you can do to show the effect…
Stand in front of a mirror and pick a spot on your face and just stare at it. Try to not blink or move your eyes from that spot. What are you looking for? Well, as you stare at the unchanging visual, you’ll begin to see irregularities happen. Things will appear and disappear… things will move and bend…
THIS effect is the what the 3D blackness is. Basically, when you  view an unchanging scene, your mind will begin to slowly shut off your  visual perception. That’s the very event which you’re watching when you do this… this is part of the reason why we blink, it “resets” the scene we’re looking at. When we “enter” the “3D blackness”, all that means is that our visual sensory input has been reduced to near zero.
At that point, we’ve visually removed ourselves from “seeing” this physical reality and you’re now “seeing” a different non-reality reality. You’re seeing the lack of visuals. It’s kind of the same as the sound you hear when there’s no sound to hear… you’re ALWAYS hearing something. Well, you’re also always SEEING something. That’s what you see when there’s nothing to see… 3D Blackness. It’s calming and serene.
It’s really a different state of consciousness. It’s a state of consciousness you can use to project from too!
Once you find yourself excluded from this physical reality and you’re experiencing the Void, you have projected! From here, you can ask questions of guides, or place your Intent to experience whatever you want.

Astralvoid Forum

www.astralvoid.com/viewtopic.php?t=106 (don't click, link is broken)

Astralvoid (mind the name!) is now another defunct forum / website. Unlike what I did with the EIC forum quotes I decided to leave this quote here.I reached a point where I felt kind of a shift in my awareness. I couldn't "see" anything, and I didn't feel vibrations - just the usual dulled awareness of my body - but in front of my eyes it felt like... like the volume of the space in front of me expanded. The way I pictured it (sorry, this will sound weird) was as if there was a hockey puck-shaped piece of open space balancing on its edge on the bridge of my nose. I could look into the edge of the "puck" and tell that inside of it, there was more like "real" empty space than the blackness behind my eyelids. As I became aware of this "space," it expanded, ultimately giving me the impression that it was about the size of a large room - like maybe my living room, rather than my bedroom. It felt like I might be able to reach out my arms onto the "floor" of that room and maybe hoist myself up. I got excited, then, and tried to find some way of willing myself *into* this space without actually moving my body, and the sensation faded and went back to normal behind-the-eyelids darkness. Does this sound like I'm heading in the right direction? Anyone else get a similar kind of sensation? I've seen the term "3D blackness" in some posts... Is what I'm describing sort of like that? It certainly felt like the space was... not 100% real, but approaching real-ness, if that makes sense? Realer than if I was just visualizing an empty black space, but not quite "real world" real.
- anonymous (member name not noted down)

Search For Life After Death Blog

thesearchforlifeafterdeath.com/2016/04/23/sometimes-you-dont-see-the-light-the-void-a-place-of-nothingness-in-the-afterlife/

Let's conclude this long Part III with a more philosophical outlook (this time again from the NDE perspective) about the 3D-Blackness experience and the aftermath regarding the purpose or element of 'self-reflection' in the Void. This is from another long article and I recommend reading it in full. It also draws a lot of references from the near-death-com-site and their long article on The Void, which I used for my introductory part above.
If the void truly does exist in the afterlife, then its purpose is to hold a mirror up to those who refused to judge their own evil behaviors while on Earth.
(…)
If there is any lesson to be learned from negative experiences in the Void it is this: Tomorrow, when you wake up to another day on earth, be sure to look in the mirror – gaze deep into the character of your soul.
Whatever lies within you lives also in the Void. Would you appreciate the company that you keep there?

Part IV - My Personal Void Research

Let me start out by using the list from Part I again concerning the 'usage' or 'purpose' of The Void from the astral projector's perspective. The fourth list item 'information' will certainly be my main focus, as you can already see by the length of it.
Possible Void Purposes / Usage

1. Hub, springboard, gateway for entering astral planes, 'pre-OBE' state

Like many or almost all other APers I also use the Void as a springboard. I also often had the 'involuntary' experience that I wanted to go somewhere and ended up in 'Exit Blindness' (Type A Void). Most often though when I go deliberately to the Void nowadays I 'automatically' project to the Type B Void (Swirls) which is kind of 'waiting for me'.

I cannot attest to a White Void (Type C) when I do this except for one experience where I tried to get to the Void (FZ between F2 and F3, according to Kepple) from a Lucid Dream (F2). Usually the Void for me is always dark (A) or with grey smoke or pinpoints (B). If it exists as a buffer zone, as described by e.g. Nick Newport or Frank Kepple above, then it happens very fast to go through because in my case I always somehow fade into the scene. It happens like s.o. turns on the light in a room slowly with a dimmer switch lamp and the picture gets clearer and brighter each second.
Most often, in order to get out of the Void (A or B) I use the hand rub or clap technique with my 'astral hands' together with a command. This 'body action' turns on your body feeling (chakras?) and thus you can finally 'anchor' yourself in a reality you want to go to. First you solely see your hands you 'look at' indeed and then the scene(ry) around you unfolds gradually (lightening up) by the second. More on entering or exiting the Void will be talked about with connection to (4.) information gathering.

2. Contemplation, meditation, self-realization

I admit I am always a 'busy' astral traveller and most of the times tried either to go somewhere (see 1. above) or to stay in the Void and use it for interaction, communication and information access (see 4. below). So my 'stillness' times are rare and restricted. I plan on doing a Void meditation session though in the future.

3. God/Source experience, 'going home' (?)

The God aspect is true for me and I myself even at times dubbed the Void 'The Godfield'. I dropped this term again but you might come across the expression in some of my earlier posts that I will link and quote further down. Especially the information access aspect of the Void is somehow 'godly' for me since the Void seems vast and 'all-knowing' indeed. I do not remember feeling Bliss and unity there, but I had this experience during an NDE-like experience, so I know how it feels. It just did not happen in the Void then. As a side note, I also do not remember that I was ever in a state of being fearful, shocked or afraid in the Void, just like many NDErs are. Maybe I somehow intuitively knew even as a newbie experiencing it for the first time that this is a natural state you can be in temporarily - or maybe even 'the most' natural? A homecoming (to 'Source' or 'God') of sorts. More on this 'Source'-discussion can be found in Part V.

4. Information gathering, 'akashic' access (past, present, future)

This became my hobbyhorse and that is why this section will be extra-long. I am personally an info nerd. I also tried to gather 'akashic' and past-life info via 'normal' astral projections and dream programming with some limited success. However the real 'breakthrough' I had was with a protocol I developed with(in) the Void. I was inspired by Tom Campbell in this talk from a presentation in NYC in 2011. That is why I came to call it 'Campbell Protocol'.

The link below starts at the section of his talk called 'Making Contact' where he begins to explain on how to communicate with beings or the LCS (Larger Reality System); it starts at 1 hour, 4 minutes and 53 seconds. The decisive part for me and my method starts at 1'08:09 when he talks about 'ask questions like a lawyer' which refers to those that can only (or predominantly) be answered by 'yes' or 'no'. This is about control and easy understanding and not being overwhelmed by too many impressions or information flow. It's just: Confirm or not. Of course, you must avoid pitfalls such as being too suggestive or being too imprecise in your wording. More on that later. In this very video he also proposes the visuals-based 'traffic light' method with red for 'no' and green for 'yes', which I then used for my own approach:

Video: Tom Campbell Simplified Communication Protocol

Here is the (only slightly edited) transcript of that core part copied from YouTube. I quote this here because it IS so vital for explaining my whole process and the reasoning behind it. For me it became the essential procedure for retrieving verifiable and at the same time not too overwhelming information:

(..) ask your questions be direct it's best to ask questions like a lawyer a lawyer asks questions such that the answers are always yes or now say because the lawyer doesn't want to allow the person on the stand to go off on their own because the lawyer wants to control what's being said so the lawyer will ask a question and the answer is either yes or now so the lawyer does all the talking all you do is confirm or deny that's a good way to start talking with non-physical beings that way you don't have to  interpret a whole bunch of text all you have to interpret is yes or no so talk to your talk to your non-physical entities in that way like a lawyer ask them questions that you get very simple answers that won't stress your ability to interpret you can interpret it yes so now you're in control of the of the format as well if you want yes or no can be a green light or a red light whatever however the tools that you want to use make up your own tools like the lady with the pendulum yes or no it whirls this way or that way well you can do that in your head as well interrogate your your your person you're talking with like a like a lawyer's like you have them on the stand but the questions need to be meaningful (...)
- Tom Campbell (transcript from his presentation in NYC from 2011 on YouTube)

And this is what I did! I 'interrogate' the Void. Like a lawyer. I thereby established the 'Campbell' communication protocol for the Void telling it with my intent to show me a green swirl for 'yes' and a red swirl for 'no'. Simple as that.

You might ask: Who or what answers then with the colours? The Void itself or 'someone' via the Void or just myself / the '(Subconscious/Higher) Self'? Good question. By now I am certain it is not 'me' in a strict sense. I will provide some evidence for that in the 'Void Facts' below. My working assumption is that I communicate with what Tom Campbell generically calls the 'Larger Consciousness System' (LCS). I also assume it is somehow connected to the concept of 'Akashic Records' but cannot be sure of it. I might of course also communicate to/with 'beings' in/via the Void which I do not see but give verifiable information. The so-called 'Higher Self' connected to the LCS or Akashic/Soul records is another strong possibility. I will resume this discussion in Part V ('Who is (behind) the Void?').

For the time being and for the sake of information gathering the (verifiable?) quality of the data and the method used is at this point far more important than what constitutes the 'source'. The aim is to have a simplified method for the effective gathering of veracious and in part even verifiable information. And from my experience this voluntary restriction to a kind of 'boring' protocol proved to me that literally 'less is more'. The data I received from my experiments with this simplified communication method in the Void so far shows me that it is indeed mostly or entirely 'true'. The details and examples of this endeavour will be described under the separate topical headers below.

The process for this 'basic' binary approach to information of course means that for detailed data or dates you have to first get around things and encircle them before you approach and finally get the solution. For example, for receiving specific past dates (year in our current Western calender or a 'how long ago' datapoint) I use a technique with 'before / after' or 'ago' and get nearer and so literally 'zero in' on the answer. Let me give you a fictitious example of a question I plan to ask but have not yet done:

'The Mars cataclysm happened over 15,000 years ago (red)? Okay, so it happened before 10,000 years ago (green)? So it happened before 5,000 years (red)?' (Hence from question 3 already I know it was between 10,000 and 5,000 years, if question 2 had been a 'no' (red) I would know it was between 10,000 and 15,000 years ago). And so on. Yes, this can be tedious at times. But rewarding for an information nerd like me - simply because it works!

One might object  - especially if not familiar to the non-physical reality via AP - why go to all the painful length and not ask directly for the number, date, data point, etc. instead? Isn't this easier and faster - and more 'natural'?

Yes, I did this a lot in the past but avoiding mistakes and misreadings is key because very often it does not work to get the spot-on data point you want. 'Reading' ('being shown') or 'hearing' ('being told') numbers or dates in the non-physical is often vague and when you view them (e.g. on an astral plane) you get so-called 'reality fluctuations' (a term coined by Robert Bruce) which means you get several results at one attempt, let alone a multitude of differing results at several attempts.

Numbers there often start to oscillate even after a second or two when you look at them, sometimes even more if you try to focus hard, and likewise do dates or names, or anything written down. Yes, it sucks! But every projector has made these experiences, so this is not just a 'law' in my book. I created a GIF animation to show you what it is like:

SEE GALLERY: PIC 3 - NUMBER FLUCTUATIONS

Did you spot all of the numbers? There's four of them in fast succession: 3,6,8 and 9. Remember that your task in the non-physical in this example was to just read 'one' digit. The same applies to letters and whole words in written text.

This is the reason why the 'Campbell Protocol' is so much more precious for me than e.g. any channelled or dreamed or whatever info I get during astral projections. Not that I regard this is all as wrong or unreliable then. I also received and retrieved 'real' stuff by other means, especially dreams about future events, astral projections or dream programming and dream telepathy. However, this binary inquiry with y/n is a way to really get to the core of things when you want your own questions be answered at the most truthfully.

Yes, I am well aware that this is a daring proposition but again let me state that so far my data supports this. Moreover, information shown via e.g. colourful channelling or astral experience can be overwhelming. There is also the possibility of flaws in the communication channel leading to misinterpretations or misunderstandings, wrong memorising or even simply cheating by deceitful beings you communicate with. In my view many of these dangers can be avoided by going directly to the Void and retrieving it from there.

All of the mentioned common obstacles to retrieve untainted correct data in or from the non-physical constitute the reason why I use this more laborious and simplified approach as recommended by Tom Campbell. It is in my view a far more 'secure' method of encircling the 'right' answer by narrowing it down 'from left and right' via yes/no. And the result usually is not fluctuating! It seems to be free of communication errors and deception the more 'basic' and simple you keep it.

Moreover, you get the same answer also for the same (exact!) question again, although there are pitfalls to avoid which have to do with how you are formulating the words. I will get to this as well in a separate chapter below. The most important takeaway is that it is indeed possible to get to the 'precise' data point after a while. I have a nice transcript example of that below concerning a year of birth.

Sometimes though I 'broke protocol' and applied other kinds of vision apart from just getting red or green from the 'system'. Either it was due to a lack or loss of patience or also to the fact that a lawyer does not only ask the closed yes/no questions but needs to get 'new' information with more open questions (how, what, when, why, etc.). So that is when I was asking to be shown pictures at times. My two validations listed below are good examples.

On other occasions I asked for audio data, so there was hearing / speaking involved. I did so while I was still lingering in the Void state. It did not always work though, either because the channel did not open or perhaps because it was just not deemed the right method at that time by the Void (see my chapter on 'refusals').

I did quite a few sessions over a longer span of time and always wrote the transcript later on when I was 'awake' again. There are other Void experiences before that without the 'Campbell Simplified Communication Protocol', of course. Since my lucidity is mostly very high in the Void (with one notable exception described below in the chapter 'Corrections') it was not so difficult to do the memory transcriptions since I remembered the dialogue well.

Nevertheless please note that I do not claim that they all are perfect word-by-word minutes documenting perfectly what was said. The 'dialogues' are the best approximation of what was remembered. I have developed some techniques of remembering my experiences well for later logging in the physical. Explaining this here as well would go beyond the scope of this article though.

Without further ado, here you have my (Akashic) 'Void Facts' summarised under specific chapter headers. Note that this time I put the relevant links, most of which belong to my original entries of my journal called 'Lucid Diary = LuciDiary' on the AstralDynamics forum, in a separate section further below. However, also note that I stopped journaling there in October 2016. There were some unpublished transcripts from the Void after that time. So in some cases I might add a later Void experience marked as 'Private Journal' where no link exists. Moreover, the still existing links might be updated in the future because I am in the process of transferrig the most important journal entries to my 'Astralblog', but so far most of the posts are not yet there.

AKASHIC VOID FACTS

VOID Truth & Verifiability

No, of course I do and cannot claim that all I got is verifiable information to be proven right afterwards. E.g. how can I do this with certain bits and pieces of past Earth or past life info, especially about Lady Sinera, a female past life of mine in the 17th century? By nature most of this kind of information is not verifiable, except for some weaker 'indirect' ones done by comparing some of the info gathered or 'seen' (e.g. fashion, clothing) to historic pictures of that time, which I did with success. This then does not constitute absolute proof, of course.

Here is a playing card validation I did from the Void. Many projectors do this exercise. They draw 'blind' a card from a stack and place it on a shelf or table for looking it up later during an OBE in/from the astral. This was my third attempt at this. However, it was only the first I did in or from the Void (instead of going to the room where the card is placed). It was an immediate success! I find this quite telling.

Please note that this still happened before I developed my 'lawyer' protocol. So it involved visual communication by letting the Void show a picture and after that I even projected into an astral scene (which was not my actual room though) to view the card again from there. It also involved a helper or more who first confirmed telepathically that I saw the right card and later were met in that room. I cannot say if it was the same guide in both scenes. It is also notable that reality fluctuations - by showing me a second possible card - only started after I projected into that astral room where the card also was. They did not take place in the Void!

I get vibrations and am in my 'astral bed' experiencing blindness again. I immediately shout out to my helper(s) to be shown the card I had put 'blind' on a shelf two days ago in front of a little nightlight (for night view should I do the unlikely case of a "real" RTZ projection).
First I remain in darkness, maybe holding a helpers hand or not (don't remember exactly) as I do usually when communicating with my helpers and do not see anything.
I shout again "The card! Show me the card!" Then I see a card approaching me from far away. The background is still black. There is just this little card, still far away, a little to the right (Btw, it's also to the right in my physical room). I zoom in on it so it gets nearer. I recognise it and shout it out as an aid for memorising it: "It's a Nine Of Spades!". Then ask for confirmation: "Yes?". A guide answers telepathically (no in-ear-voice this time) "yes".
Then vision comes on and I am in my "lightportal" (for those who don't remember my previous entries: it's the name I gave to my childhood bedroom into which I phase quite often, sometimes almost automatically) and the same card is on a shelf next to the bed there visible for me.
The guide who answered is a woman. But if I remember correctly it is not Katja (see last post above) this time. I don't know or remember her. I look at the card again and it still is the Nine Of Spades. Then however I seem to lose focus and lucidity. It starts to fluctuate and the black Spades turn also into black Crosses/Clubs, the number unchanged. So it might also have been a Nine Of Clubs.
(...)
I did not look up the card immediately but went to sleep after I wrote the result on a piece of paper in case I should forget which card I saw. This morning, I went to the shelf and turned the stack around: Shock! A Nine Of Spades!
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 17 April 2013

Being very satisfied with this result, I did not repeat a validation attempt with cards or anything else until some group 'Remote Viewing' experiments on the Roundtable forum years later. Once I already tried it for 2-3 rounds in 2016 without being able to use the Void (although one time I really reached it, see the 'Standby' example further below). Another time I did it for a few rounds with different techniques in 2018 where I used the Void one time. In this successful attempt, the actual centre object was not seen by me. However, the experimenter (Laron, who is also the forum/website owner) had placed crystals around the object in order to stabilize the tablecloth it was placed on due to strong winds since the table was outside. (He did so for the first time, not in prior experiments!). So I saw one of them 'flying' through the Void. Even the exact shape, type and colour was correct:

That clear crystal / quartz in the right lower corner was 'mine'. Due to its longer and thinner shape it seems almost exactly how I saw it 'flying'.
Also, maybe I saw the flying and tumbling of the clear crystal because thereby it indicated your problem with the wind blowing, thus giving me also the reason for its utilization this time.
- Sinera, Roundtable Forum, 5 May 2018

So again doing the validation attempt from the Void was the solution. I had other attempts using different methods (normal awake Remote Viewing, hypnagogic imagery, dream impressions) before this one, but all of them did not work. So the Void saved the day again at the first attempt. Again, I find it telling.

One can rightfully ask why it did not show me the centre target which it failed to do. I have no answer to that apart from the fact that maybe crystals are the best resonators for these kind of experiences and experiments? In all fairness I also want to say that I had another and even better success by using Lucid Dreaming in the experiment after this. You can read about it on this Transients/Roundtable forum thread.

Besides these 'direct' examples, there is another validating aspect I want to mention. The examples will be given under different headers below. It also has to do with assistance given by the Void or 'Void helpers' involved: It is the element of surprise and the element of correction.

If I would only give myself some answers wouldn't I only get the results I consciously or subconsciously expected anyway? This is almost certain. Several instances however proved to me that this was not the case as I often did get 'surprising' results counter to my possible expectations. This concerns data or dates as well as yes/no (green/red) answers. This has a 'validating' quality for me because it shows that 'someone' or something else (outside of 'me') is involved giving the answers and providing assistance. Also, being corrected with verifiable (!) facts afterwards when one was obviously wrong is certainly a very convincing experience. More on this will follow below.

VOID Assistance & Readiness

The Void did not just react with red and green but developed other variants of visual communication 'on its own'. Yes, this is astounding but correct. It was innovative and helpful on its own. I had never planned nor devised any of the following 'solutions' performed by the Void communication system for my benefit regarding assistance or improved response interpretation.

One occasion involved the year of birth of one of my past lives. I had already narrowed it down to between 1640 and 1650. Then the Void 'by itself' showed me the middle of it. It was not even a swirl but 'pefectly' red on one side (left) and green on the right side. It might either indicate that 1645 was already the right data point or due to the fact that the right side was green that the correct year was to be found in the second part of this 40ies-decade: 1645, 46, 47, 48 or 49. I had no further time to find out more due to my fading out but I was satisfied with the already very 'narrow' result. Below the quote of the transcript I add a picture of how it indeed looked, of course without the superimposed timeline ruler which I put there for a better understanding. As said, I had never thought of this kind of 'solution' myself and was really surprised by this time-saving 'innovation' from the Void as well as by the result (see below for this).

AKASHIC VOID MEMO-TRANSCRIPT SESSION #5 (9 Nov 2015)
ME: Is Sinera born in the 1800s?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
ME: Is Sinera born in the 1700s?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
ME: Before 1700?
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
ME: Before 1600?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
ME: In the 1600s?
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
ME: Hmm. Surprising. Is she born after 1650?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
ME: So it's before 1650?
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
ME: Before 1640?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
ME: Okay, so it's in the 1640ies?
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
ME: 1645?
Void: Undecided, split! (The colour field gets very interesting like never before: the left side is red and the right side is green)
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 09 November 2015

SEE GALLERY: PIC 4 - TIMELINE

At another instance, a more 'technical' assistance was given. It was not the first time that I was shown by invisible 'helping hands' what to do and how to move, e.g. often I was helped out of the bed by 1 or 2 (usually not visible) helpers lifting me up when projecting into my room. However, this time it was different. I was already in the Void but wanted to perform a typical Roll-Out-manoeuvre, which is a common technique to 'get out of bed' when projecting into your etheric or astral 'bedroom'. This time I was hindered though. As I was lying on one side ready for a roll a helper held down my shoulders from behind me so that I could not move.

My interpretation: I was thereby shown that it is better to kind of 'teleport' or 'phase' or even 'stay' in the Void (maybe since I was already there anyway!). If you do a roll-out you are more likely to manifest yourself onto an astral plane. So the Void / helper already knew my intention and taught me how to do it by avoiding a mistake. The advice was clear: 'Don't roll for the Void!'. Stupid me did the mistake then anyway disregarding the helper. But the 'lesson' was learnt and memorised afterwards and applied to other successful 'exits' into the Void.

Don't Roll For The Void!
Another technical short one, but for what it's worth...
Again I get lucid and somehow seem to be in the Void. I am lying as usual on my side - the right one where I also was yesterday when I saw the standby screen.
This time however I realise I am being hold down by hands on my shoulder and arm to be prevented from moving it seems, it's a firm grip. Apparently, a helper wants to keep me from doing a typical „roll-out-“action.
I seem to ignore it however - a mistake. When I moments later somehow decided to move and get out into an astral (darker) room and other astral scenery I do not remember anymore my target despite trying hard to remember, the usual exit amnesia happened to me ... again, as so often.
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 04 October 2016

Another proof for the 'readiness' of the Void happened even one day prior to the don't-roll-lesson. Then I found the Void on 'standby' mode when I got there. It looked similar to this picture with a green swirl (spinning smoky 'galaxy') on one side and a red swirl on the other side:

SEE GALLERY: PIC 5 - STAND-BY NEBULA

Akashic Void On Standby
Just a short but interesting one. I phase into the Void. I wanted to get a picture from a code for a Remote Viewing experiment in another forum.
When I entered the Void from SP as usual, a nice voice greets me with a nice and very friendly "Hallo." (engl: Hello). It sounded like a young woman/girl or a child to me.
This is not the only 'ready-for-service'-sign: There is again the screen split and I see on one side the green nebula ('yes'-element) and on the other side the red swirl ('no'-element). (...)
It seems somehow as if the Void was waiting for my first y/n-question or any instruction. Standby mode.
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 03 October 2016

This for me was like the Void saying (next to 'Hello'): 'Fine, we're ready, let's go, so what are your questions this time?' I admit over the years I had forgotten about the female voice greeting me. So we also had 'sound' communication. Don't ask me why I did not talk to 'her' then. A mistake for sure, not the only one I made; speaking of mistakes, see the following chapter about 'Surprises & Corrections'.

The Void also introduced a yellow-ish or orange-ish colour all by itself. See my comment on the traffic light and feedback corrections system in the section of 'Refusals'.

VOID Surprises & Corrections

As I explained above, it is an argument of mine that this type is another kind of validation. Giving surprising, 'new' and in part verifiable information, including even corrections of my own wrong preconceived ideas and expectations is evidence for the Void's possible function as a truthful ('akashic'?) information 'database' agent. At least for me.

I know that skeptics normally argue from a strictly psychological perspective that we 'ingest' so much information 'on the fly' during the course of our lives that we only consciously know so little and it is all stored away and forgotten in our subconscious until it is 'retrieved' in these cases, including 'corrections' because the subconscious just 'knows better' than the conscious. While I respect this kind of argument for some cases it is not really convincing to me from my research and the entirety of my experiences.

The examples that follow will show even more why. And you will see that once I even tried to somehow 'debunk' myself with a kind of poll I made on a forum. You see that I do have a skeptical approach to things, this is one necessary prerequisite of my research. However, the result of that poll was again convincing enough that I had learnt something 'really new' for me. Together with the other collected pieces of evidence (e.g. direct validations, helpers in the Void) I can conclude with some certainty that there is a kind of 'external' reality and consciousness at play. A final discussion about the Void 'personality' and 'who/what' is behind it will follow in Part V.

The first example I enlist here is the one I already mentioned above. Other astral projections and even one or two dreams had already given me some information about Sinera years before. I 'knew' her first name, her looks and the looks her relatives or people she knew and her country of origin.

I wasn't right all the time about the time she lived though. By some of the attire worn by her in dreams and projections I thought she was a middle- or even upper-class lady from the 1800s. The Void transcript above then surprised me with a much earlier date of birth. And indeed I later checked on the kind of dress she wore and the hairdo and compared it to portrait paintings of ladies of that period (17th century) in France or Europe. I could confirm for myself then that what I had seen fit that historic epoch even better.

Apart from the direct result of Transcript #5 (see above), the surprise and correction of my mistake was already given to me earlier in the first transcript, although back then my wrong conclusion was that her year of birth was maybe in the 1790s instead.

MEMO-TRANSCRIPT SESSION #1 (11 Feb 2014)
(...)
ME: Is Sinera an incarnation and past life of mine?
SCREEN: Yes. (Green)
ME: Is Sinera born in the 1800s (= 18something)?
SCREEN: No. (Red)
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 15 February 2014

Another surprise and 'new' information regarding involved the use of sound in the Void. It was again about Sinera, this time I requested the number of her children.

AKASHIC VOID MEMO-TRANSCRIPT SESSION #6 (15 Nov 2015)
Me: I know already she was married. Was she also a mother?
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
Me: Did she have one child?
Void: Yes. (swirl remains green)
(I decide on a control question and to exclude 'dumb literality' because you can still say correctly to have 1 child when you also have 2 children)
Me: Did she have two children?
Void: No. (swirl turns red)
Me: Control question: Did she have three children?
Void: Yes, kind of. (swirl turns more greenish again.)
(Of course, I get confused now. I break my own protocol and demand acoustic communication instead. I am still in "The Void" and as usual after a while a voice appears. First I hear that of a woman from far and she seems upset or panicked but I do not understand a word. Then a sober and reasonable male voice starts talking to me.)
Me: Ok. I'm waiting for acoustic communication still. ... How many children did she have? The conflicting info I got is confusing me right now!
Male Voice (from what I got): .... poisoning .... there was a problem with (the) banana bottles. ....
(I do not get more when I ask for clarification and fade out.)
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 18 November 2015

My 'daring' interpretation which was also based on my following research explained further below is the following: Sinera indeed had only one child that made it through childhood. She lost two more children with infant deaths. This is a very common occurrence of that time, even til the 1800s it was very common and we can be sure even more in the 1600s.

I also do not exclude the possibility that I interacted with the aspects or incarnations either in a database recording or 'live'. I don't know. I believe I really heard Sinera and the moment she was either in agony crying over the loss of her children, which means I received a 'live' or 'replay' acoustic flashback from her life, or she was 'angry' at my question. It is not the first time I talked or interacted with her in the astral. She once kissed me on the forehead in a motherly gesture. It was a 'physically felt' (etheric) projection experience. Since it was dark then I assume it was also in the Void. So here you have another sense that was activated (touch). This example in the quote was just one of the times I heard her voice in the Void. The male voice might have been a guide or even - crazy as it might seem but I merely act on intuition here - her then husband (or father) explaining this to me.

I did now know the term 'banana bottle' and had never heard of it before. Even Wikipedia only lists 'baby bottles' and does not acknowledge this name in its current article, although it shows a picture of one: They are double ended and banana-shaped. The reason is hygiene and it was a really important invention leading to progress in the prevention of early infant deaths for those children who were not breast-fed long enough. Many babies died early because of contamination of the vessels used for feeding. More info on the history of the historic 'banana bottles' can be found here.

Before I wrote the post in my LuciDiary I checked on the same forum to find out how common the term was to the people of the English speaking world. 88% told me that they did not know the term at all. One said she might have 'an idea' what it could be. No one said they had known it before at all. In the Link List below you will find the link of the forum post and the poll and poll results I did before posting the experience itself.

This confirmed for me that it was not a well-known term at all. This also applies to the German-speaking parts of the world for 'Bananenflasche'. So I learnt a new term from this male voice and the object talked about really made sense in its interpretational context. Presumably two of her babies died because no hygienic bottles were used and / or they were contaminated. It all makes perfect sense.
Except for one problem: The time period does not fit. Banana bottles did not exist before the late 1800s. Since Sinera lived and gave birth to children in the second half of the 1600s this at first does not make sense somehow. So a kind of conundrum remains and I can only speculate:

Maybe communication is somehow faulty via voice transmission and banana-bottle was just one translation of it. Or he wanted to say that they died because hygienic baby bottles (including the banana bottle type which was the first of them) did not exist yet, so that is why infant deaths were still so common at the time. Or they did exist and we just don't know it historically and maybe in her household they were not just working or not cleaned properly? I will not solve this problem. As you might understand I also have more interesting topics to expore than just the history of baby bottles. Still, allowing for interpretational context and misreadings, the new information was somehow 'correct enough' for me and it was astounding to learn something really 'new'.

Another instance showed that I was not quite lucid when the Void 'corrected' a wrong assumption of mine which I would not have made in a fully lucid state. It might have to do with the fact that I had a dream about tennis that same night before I entered the Void. So this is why it was quite literally 'on my mind'. My lack of full lucidity is also shown by my forgetfulness about the fields of enquiry I had intended for the Void:

AKASHIC VOID MEMO-TRANSCRIPT SESSION #7 (30 Oct 2016)
(Struggling to remember one of my set topics I settle on a recent dream motif I had, 'playing tennis')
Me: A.N. is one of the best professional tennis players in the world?
Void: No. (swirl turns red or pinkish red)
Me: C'mon! She is. Or at least we can agree that she is very beautiful!
Void: Yes. (swirl turns green)
(I do get annoyed and panicky to find quickly my predefined topics but fail to do so before I fade out again.)
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 30 October 2016

After waking up I did not even have to check on this because then of course I remembered that A.N. is a musician and one of the best in her field in this area. She is not a tennis star. So the Void was right - and highly lucid it seems - while I was flat out wrong. Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder so we can still argue or wonder about the answer to the second question (which is right in my view), but let's leave it to the mystery of the Void or the personality 'behind' it if it does indeed have a 'taste' or sense of aesthetics for human looks or if it just (correctly) mirrored my own view of (her) beauty. Live gracefully with uncertainty. Maybe it also has some sense of humour after all. I cannot discount this possibility since I already encountered a lot of humouros situations during communication with beings or even the LCS (Larger Consciousnesss System) in the non-physical.

Another example of a surprising result is this: When I queried the Void about Mars, it unexpectedly (to me at least) told me that then ancient ruins we can detect on the surface nowadays were not built by this ancient civilisation but another (following or invading) one. The quote will follow below in another header section.

VOID Stubbornness & Refusals

Not all things work in the Void. Or at least not all the time. Success for me is almost unpredictable from the outset or at least I have not yet found a fail-safe method. Actually all of the things I mentioned above do not always work or 'switch on' and become 'operative'. While the green/red screen is still pretty reliable to appear this applies mostly to the additional activation of different senses, especially sight (apart from green/red swirls) and sound. I did not yet experiment with smells or body touch too often since it as a matter of fact is not as helpful for getting information as our primary senses, namely audio and visuals.

So for example, I found myself often asking for 'someone' to 'talk' to me in the Void in vain. Sometimes I had to strangely wait for a longer time before someone answers. The 'sound/hearing' mode (chakra?) takes time to activate, at least this is my impression and conclusion. The same applies to sight which does not always appear when you ask for it in the way it worked perfectly for my card and remote viewing validations mentioned above.

It is my feeling that The Void actually receives my requests but simply 'refuses' to comply and thereby supposedly recommends to stick to my easy protocol of yes/no (green/red). It might even be a kind of teaching for me. Restriction can be rewarding in that it avoids the common mistakes, oscillations and information overloads described at length during my introduction above. So maybe the Void demands 'discipline' for success?

Especially reading text from a picture seems not allowed or popular with the Void at all. Of course, I explained already why this is so. But it is tempting to ask for something to be shown or read. Sometimes I could not resist. Here is some evidence for the refusal to comply: I once asked the Void (here in this log entry I addressed it as it 'Godfield') about the activation of different modes of communication such as reading text. This transcript is from a later log which I kept private and now copied from the spreadsheet file I use for journaling my dreams and OBEs:

TRANSCRIPT SESSION #11 (04 Jan 2018)
ME: Godfield active? Are you there and ready?
VOID: Yes. (green)
ME: Can I try reading Sinera‘s name (last name)?
VOID: No. (red)
ME: Can I try hearing it via acoustic communication again?
OID: Yes / Indifferent (split-screen: left green / right orange)
- Sinera, Private Journal File, 04 January 2018

This makes the data retrieval of names very difficult, of course. Maybe I should try spelling the alphabet down for the first letter waiting for green/red and then repeat it for all or most of the following letters. But this is time-consuming and ineffective. I might instead try sound again though on my next attempts because the Void at least 'agreed somewhat' to it. (In case you should wonder: Her first name was transmitted telepathically to me the first time via a projection to my 'astral portal' where I had turned on the TV set in my room to see a past life and saw her family. I just asked the name of my connected past life and was given the name. The name was later confirmed in the Void - see Transcript #1.)

A similar thing happened to the city or village name where Sinera was born. I asked the Void for the location to be shown on a map. It 'somehow' worked then. The area was shown pretty well, so I got to know at least where approximately her birthplace in France was. However, the maps then showed a flickering of town names that I could again not decipher. Here's the now slightly edited short entry I made in my journal in short notes form:

Red swirls and fire, then planet Earth and zoomed in France location shown of Sinera‘s town with read dot in the south-west Pyrenees area, near the sea. The read town names (Aififlin or Gysel or similar) do not yield exact results with today's maps though. Did not find anything.
- Sinera, Private Journal File, 13 December 2017

Maybe the towns were historic and do not exist anymore. Maybe it oscillated with other info, e.g. family names. The names look and sound a bit Basque and it is indeed a Basque area of France. I have no further information. I know she was French but I have not yet found out if she was a French Basque.

Next to my past life as Sinera the ancient history of Mars (civilisations) is one of my fields of interest. I was however refused to be shown a picture of a Marsian, but then other questions were answered again with the usual green/red modus operandi. The transcript of this Void dialogue will be found further below in connection with Void entries and exits.

Another example of a correction of my interview techniques is the already mentioned yellow/orange light introduced by the Void telling me to rephrase the question to be more specific in order to facilitate a clear yes/no answer.

To sum up, I suspect that all of these 'reading' and 'hearing' problems might be the reason for the frequent refusals and 'stubbornness'. The Void knows that I am just 'not good enough' to 'read' text (names, numbers, date of birth, etc.) in the astral or from pictures shown to me. On top of that it also tells me when a question is not good enough (yellow or orange colour).

I am not too disappointed or even 'offended' by this 'behaviour' but rather see it as a considerate and very helpful manner of the Void that seems to know my strengths and weaknesses. Gotta live with it.

VOID Mistakes & Literalism

Many projectors have also made the experience with helpers and guides that sometimes you have to be very specific with your requests for help or information because you can be easily misunderstood. Of course, in the non-physical communication is different and mostly non-linear. So even guides must be 'trained' to communicate with your human mind thinking in linear and simple concepts. This does not always work as it seems due to our limited capacities to understand or 'decipher'. All of this also applies to the Void.

One of the pitfalls I dubbed 'dumb literalism' referring to the answer given. However it also arises by the lack of specification in the question asked. Here's an example for being too unspecific:

I wanted to use the Void to get back to 'The Library' I visited over 4 years earlier on the so-called 'mental plane'. This long and wonderful experience can be read here in my new Astralblog. I did not succeed because there might be countless kinds of ('akashic' or whatever) libraries in the non-physical. It is interesting what the Void then 'chose' for me as a destination. It is possible that I still 'ended up' in the Void somehow since the surroundings were very dark. The slightly shortened quote of the post also was my first 'longer' treatise of the Void which I then called 'The God Field'.

(Annotation: I added another similar graphic below this quote since the original picture is no longer available).

26/Sep/2014
The God Field & The Planetary Library
Preliminaries
My exit strategy has changed again. Although first avoided like the plague, I now deliberately "jump" (better: roll) into that dark "The Void". This is the name it is called by many APers, in books and forums. I think I remember Monroe called it the 3D-(velvety)-blackness. There are other names. Some confuse it with 'exit blindness' but probably it is the "same" thing. I don't know. In my case it has some 'static' and oscillation to it (grey-black, other colours), that is why I called it the "grey Flicker-Field" first.
Now I call it "The God Field". It's because I now believe we can create from there or/and access lots of different planes of reality. I also remember one account of a regressed person in a Dolores Cannon's book where she talked about this place which is close to Source (or maybe it IS?). It need not be "light-filled" to be godly, it is still a very cozy and familiar place that we love. No fear is attached to "THIS" kind of darkness. It is not the angst-ridden thing we normally connect with the absence of light / the dark. And it's not completely dark anyway. It flickers and moves ("3D-blackness").
(...)
I rub my hands and shout an affirmation of where I want to go. (...)  As usual it works fine for me now (my exit blindness problem is solved for good) and I see first patches of light which then open up more and more to allow me to "phase / jump / teleport" into the scene where I want to go.
I do not always end up the way I like to though. I wanted to go to the library again, the one I visited in end 2010, that School of Alternative Medicine.
So I shouted (while still rubbing my hands) "The Library! The Library!"
I missed it. However, I might have entered a kind of "library" indeed. This is where I got to instead:
The Planetarium
It is like a library of globes and you fly past them like you were in outer space. It is still relatively dark, yet I it is not outer space of the physical universe as we know it. Around each of these globes I saw letters, signs, graphics, glyphs, maybe some of them looked like index cars or short descriptions?
Comments
Love my new God-Field-technique. I'm going places.
The pic is the closest I could find with a quick image search, but by far not resembling it, the "globes" were also further apart.
As regards the "planetary" or "spheres" library: I've been to a similar place before. Some have. Frank Aardema also wrote about it in his book.
I can only speculate about its origin and purpose of course. It seemed to me like an akashic planetary record indeed but I might be wrong and it could be sth completely different. I don't remember if the globes really looked like planets or if they were just dark. The glyphs around each of them made it look like a kind of information system ("library"). So I got what I wanted but differently. I need to be more specific next time with my affirmations / commands.
The last time I was there in this sphere field they had a grid and I flew down into one of the globes and did a kind of retrieval. So I am not yet sure what it 'really' represents.
More research needed. I am sure I will make it back to there. I desperately need to make my lucidventures longer again in order to get more info out of them. The "places" are interesting but it is teasing me when I cannot make/get the best out of it.
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 28 September 2014

SEE GALLERY: PIC 6 - THE PLANETARIUM

Another example can be read in Transcript #2. My query 'how old is mankind, is it more than a few thousand years old?' yielded only an inconclusive answer with that yellow swirl which tells me to rephrase and specify / narrow down the question. The same might have applied to the Starseed question before it.

HIGHER-SCREEN MEMO-TRANSCRIPT SESSION #2 (17 Mar 2015)
ME: Was Sinera married?
SCREEN: Yes. (black snow swirl turns green)
ME: Am I Starseed?
SCREEN: Yes 75%. (black swirl turns first redd-ish/pink, then green, but still with a quarter of pink)
ME: How old is mankind? Is it more than a few thousand years old?
SCREEN: No clear answer. (yellowish or black swirl, means: question should probably be rephrased in future sessions)
- Sinera, LuciDiary, 18 March 2015

To finish this chapter I give you an example of a successful 'fast-and-easy' type to illustrate what works best by avoidance of ambiguity. Of course, this is the type of unequivocal 'lawyer'-interrogation that the Void 'likes' and it gets you the best results. This is from an unpublished transcript again:

TRANSCRIPT SESSION #12 (22 Feb 2018)
ME: Sinera had a brother?
VOID: No. (red)ME: Sinera had a sister?
VOID: No. (red)
ME: So she was an only child then?
VOID: Yes. (green)
E: And married once?
VOID: Yes. (green)
- Sinera, Private Journal File, 22 February 2018

Of course, question three was kind of superfluous already since it was a logical conclusion from the two previous direct answers. However, I do these kind of control questions asking for confirmation to 'test' the Void. So far it did never contradict itself or 'revoke' something shown before. The seemingly notable exception is the 'banana bottle' issue explained above but this 'confusion' was supposedly due to the two early child deaths. So the question was maybe not specific enough but sometimes we cannot know these things in advance. It is all learning by doing, trial and error. You have to find the right phrasing of words and to narrow it all down in order to 'make mistakes impossible'.

Give it a try! Be as restricted and specific as you can. It really works doing it this way in the beginning. You can elaborate on the protocol later, including requests for sound and pictures. Start with this kind of easy yes/no-questions and the green/red signs. Then I am certain you will see mostly unambiguous results. If not then you might have to rephrase questions. Later you can try some other additional enquiries by voice / picture because sometimes they work, too.

Good luck!

VOID Entries & Exits

Entry:

I mostly enter the Void from sleep paralysis after an induction which happens for me after 3 hours of sleep already. This is more or less the so-called Wake-Back-To-Bed strategy, a term coined by Albert Taylor.

The best 'body exit' or 'Void entry' strategy is in my view akin to the method of 'Phasing'. I call it 'teleporting' or 'jumping' though. I was taught to use it instead of any kind of exit movement during my 'Don't-Roll-For-The-Void' experience (see above). So then I am in sleep paralysis or vibrational state (with or without vibrations) and just 'click' or 'teleport' into the Void. Normally, we all remember a short 'blackness phase' during each 'classical' exit technique, too, so this means we might go through the Void anyway (see more on this as a speculation in Part V). So this is just about using this common short window of opportunity to 'stop' there and stay in the 3D Blackness. Normally the view opens up quickly and I am 'there'.

In one experience I tried to enter it from a Lucid Dream. I tried to 'dissolve' the scenery (F2 according to Kepple) around me and affirmed to be taken to the Void. I ended up in a kind of light zone and it might in this case even have been the white Void although I cannot be sure of this. Since I was in an astral dream scenery before my entry into this white area this would make sense due to the White Void's closer proximity to manifested realities. I then asked a question and demanded an answer by sound. Indeed I heard an answer by a female voice but it was too low ('far away') to be understood. This can happen in the (dark) Void, too.

I will further work on this method and try to remember that I want to access the Void (or F3) from this area, too.

Exit:

I can leave the Void by different states of consciousness. I made some acronyms of the ones that mostly ocurred to me.

FOWAP - Fade-Out With Astral Projection (F3) (or Lucid Dream (F2)); also: VAP - Void Appendix Projection

FOWUP - Fade-Out With Waking UpFOWULD - Fade-Out With Unlucid Dream

FOWUP is what happens most often to me. This is of course the most helpful type for journalling since you can immediately jot down your memories for the dialogue transcript.

FOWULD can happen but it is rare. It is the least conducive to bring back memories, as a matter of fact. Mostly it is 'normal' dreaming (so it happens in F2). It is possible with lucid phases, too. Then it would be more of a FOWAP (taking place in F2 or F3) for me.

FOWAP is also common. To make it clear: This does not include being shown pictures in the Void because the 'background' in that case is still the 3D Blackness or swirls (Type A or B). It rather refers to 'exits' from the Void and 'entries' into full astral sceneries instead. This is of course also the usual 'travel' or 'teleportation' mode by using the Void as a portal to reach an astral or mental plane. However, in these FOWAP cases the projections were helpful in answering a question posed in the Void before. So they were connected (or 'appended', hence my term 'VAP') via my intent to the Void experience.

The following two transcripts from two successive nights about my 'Mars past project' are a good example of a FOWAP in the second night. The fact that one of my known guides appeared is another indication of a kind of 'VAP' ('Void Appendix Projection') helping me to understand and further clarify a concept or piece of information given or asked before.

TRANSCRIPT SESSION #8 (17 Aug 2017)
ME: Can I be shown still pictures, e.g. of how historic persons or Marsians looked like?
VOID: No. (pink, red swirl)
ME: Ok, was there an ancient Marsian civilisation?
VOID: Yes. (swirl is green)
ME: Are they the builders of those pyramids / are there pyramids on Mars? (not clear which question exactly I posed)
VOID: No. (swirl is red or pink)
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TRANSCRIPT SESSION #9 (18 Aug 2017)
ME: Dear Godfield … to resume this … but there are structures and buildings on or under the Mars surface?
VOID: Yes. (green swirl)
ME: Ancient ruins?
VOID: Yes. (green swirl remains)
ME: And there was an ancient civilisation?
VOID: Yes. (green again)ME: And they built the ruins we can see today?
VOID: No. (red)
ME: Another race did that (built them)?
VOID: Yes. (green again)
(FOWAP: I see one of my female helpers shortly and then am shown a scene with a UFO either landing or crashing on a planet, it‘s rather cartoonish looking, but it might indicate that other race as successor or invader of the original ‚ancient‘ indigenous race.)
- Sinera, Private Journal File, 17-18 August 2017

JOURNAL / POST LINKS:

Roundtable Forum - Long Clear Quartz Crystal Validation

LuciDiary - Card Validation

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 1 & Protocol Reference (Autism, Sinera past life confirmation)

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 2 (Starseed, Sinera marriage, age mankind)

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 3 (Sinera France)

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 4 (Sinera forename)

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 5 (Sinera YoB 1645)

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 6 (children, banana-bottles)

AstralDynamics Forum - Survey About 'Banana Bottle'

AstralDynamics Forum - Survey About 'Banana Bottle' Results

LuciDiary - Void Transcript 7 (correction, tennis vs. music)

LuciDiary - Void On StandBy

LuciDiary - Void Teaching: Don't Roll!

LuciDiary - The God Field And The Planetary Library

AstralBlog - The Library On The Mental Plane

Part V - Conclusions & Outlook

In this part I will present my conclusions and with it do some metaphysical and philosophical discussions under separate chapter headers. Remember that a lot of it is speculative and I do not claim to possess the ultimate truth and the philosopher's stone. Moreover, my personal findings and conclusions about The Void are mine. Your truth may always vary. That is okay. Moreover you will notice that after all there are always more (and new) questions left than answers given. This is the very nature of this type of metaphysical investigation. In the end a preview on my further Void 'science' (Part VI) will be given.

A (Very) Short Summary

It has been given quite a few names or vivid descriptions by now: The Void, 3D-Blackness, Velvety Blackness, Focus Z / 15 / 21, Purgatory, Ginnungagap, Point Consciousness, Ether, Akasha, Nowhere, Nothing / No-Thing, No Datastream State, God(field), and so on. It has been corroborated by so many explorers to 'prove' its existence beyond any doubt. This has been the main goal of this article with me even accepting the peril of being too repetitive (and thus boring), but this is what corroboration is all about: Many people reporting more or less the same or at least a similar thing. So I had to showcase it to prove it. Mission accomplished.

Astral Projection / OBE / Phasing is the main method to get to the Void. It can be caused by either wilful or 'spontaneous' or 'forced' OBEs, the latter of which is usually happening during Near Death Experiences. Hypnosis and Meditation are other methods although in my view the latter might just be another 'direct' induction method (related to the concept of Phasing) for Astral Projection anyway.

The Void's 'purpose' or main use for voluntary users (astral projectors) is first and foremost 'transportation'. It is a gateway or hub as well as a structural buffer zone between different planes of reality which includes this level we call the physical / material world. Another usage is mere self-reflection and meditation. A third one is 'akashic' information gathering (past, present, future) and I came to believe by my own experience and research that here the Void is very reliable, most probably more reliable than channelled messages and maybe even as reliable as some of the very convincing Remote Viewing material that I know of. At least this is my opinion.

The Void comes in three 'flavours': (a) total blackness / 'exit' blindness, (b) swirling smoky dark-greyish galaxies or pinpoints of light (see picture) and (c) totally white.

So 'Who' Or 'What' Is (Behind) The Void?:

So who is doing the talking especially in my case (see Part IV)? Has the Void a 'personality' of its own, as one of the forum threads in Part III suggested?

For sure it is a plane and/or state of existence for us as consciousness ('souls'). Maybe it is part of us (or we are part of it) after all since we belong to All-That-Is anyway. We are a part of Source.

From this viewpoint we indeed all 'talk to ourselves'. This puts the issue about the 'subconscious talking' (see Part IV) literally into perspective. For some of us the subconscious is also the Higher Self - e.g. Dolores Cannon in her books also saw them as the same thing or at least used these two names interchangeably.

Of course, we know from some fields in metaphysics, hypnosis, psychology or medicine that subconscious testing and info reveals surprising or even correcting data, such as kinesiological muscle tests or drowsing (pendulums, rods). Moreover, as has been shown sufficiently above, many astral projectors go there to be 'alone' on purpose for meditation. Furthermore, some NDErs who got 'caught' there also felt very 'alone' at first. So are we 'alone' there?
My answer is yes and no. It depends on two things: 1. Our frame of reference and 2. our intent.

The whole frame of reference issue is mostly a philosophical discussion and I do not want to expand it here any further. However and above all, it should be remembered that I am examining these points from the individual incarnated human ego viewpoint. And from this perspective (point of view) even the subconscious / Higher Self / Oversoul could be seen as something 'exterior'.

Regarding our intent: We can choose to be alone (see meditation purpose) or end up (feeling) alone as NDErs. We can also, however, start communicating with someone or something. I believe the Void is also and always connected to the wider reality or collective consciousness. As soon as we put the 'intent' out to be in contact with someone or 'something' then we are, even if it is 'only' the 'larger Self' (Higher Self). Thus we can have it both ways. This is my strong conviction. We can be individual and 'all' - altogether and probably at the same time. We might even experience the 'All-That-Is' in a mystic experience in or 'from' the Void.

Tom Campbell also calls this 'All-That-Is'-mind the LCS - Larger Consciousness System. Let us use the Monroe/Kepple-model to go more into specifics and subdivisions: In the Focus Level methodology simplified by Frank Kepple (see Part II) we are 'isolated' in F1 (the physical) and F2 (private astral) and enter the collective with F3 (wider astral and mental planes) and with everything 'higher' (including Source) on level F4. It seems to be a continuum: The 'higher' or closer to Source we get the more 'connected' or 'one' we are. Interestingly, the Void is seen in-between F2 and F3 by Kepple who also called it 'Focus Z'. It is Focus 21 or 15 in Monroe's methodology which is also 'in-between' the ladder of levels somehow. So this also shows that it could be both: Our 'own' information and self-talk or the communication with other 'souls' or consciousness in a more connected state.

Next to the LCS (All-That-Is) in general, there are other possible agents and 'souls' that communicate with us via the Void. Sparks or subdivisions of Source, if you will. The NDE article already mentioned the presence of 'angels' or other higher beings assisting the NDErs. It is very common for all of us to experience guides and helpers during our astral travels and even in dreams sometimes. So why not in/via the Void then? Even the existence of 'on-demand' and 'specialised' helpers such as 'akashic library guardians' or 'info service experts' would be a possibilty. And then there's lots of 'astral beings' or even what we would classify as ET beings. Therefore all of them could communicate with us via the Void when we request help and information. Or maybe it even changes all the time?

I plan to ask the important question as to 'who am I talking to?' of the Void in future sessions. So the result might come up in a Void dialogue transcript in Part VI when I write about my further research I've done from this point in time onwards. For the time being, I still leave it all undecided but due to the quality of the informatoin I do not believe it is just 'any being' (because they could fool you any time) but rather a guide, the Higher Self or the (Akashic) Source itself. Anyway, take your pick. For me the most important takeaway is about 'what' is being said. I prefer the message to the messenger and assess it from that point of view. What else can I do? Therefore I can say that the Void is reliable enough to provide valuable and in rare cases even verifiable information. Judge a tree by its fruit. And it is a good tree with good fruit so far.

Type A Void & Similar Phenomena (Exit Blindness, Tunnels, Mindsight, Remote Vision, Hypnagogia & Hypnopompia):

Another open question is the comparison of the Type A Void (complete 3D-Darkness) with so-called Exit Blindness. Many if not all projectors quite often experience or remember a phase of darkness after the exit technique - even in those cases when you almost immediately enter an astral scene. Sometimes they stay 'trapped in the dark' and this is a problem because they did not want to. However, there are tricks like affirmations (e.g. William Buhlman's 'Clarity Now!') or body movements (reach out for touching objects, rubbing your hands) or both in combination to enter any astral scenery.

The fundamental question is: Do you thereby also go through the Void (Type A) or is Exit Blindness a completely different phenomenon instead? The opinions are split about this issue in the astral projector communities. Moreover, all or many of us remember those dark phases from falling asleep or waking up (hypnagogia or hypnopomp states). Since entering the dream (F2) can also be regarded as a form of projection done usually (but not always!) from the physical (F1) the question arises if this is also the same Void we experience during conscious astral projections.

Then we also have the tunnel travel experience often happening during NDEs but also AP/OBEs. The tunnel is mostly dark, too, while we head for the light source signifying 'tunnel exit'. Is the tunnel (in) the Void?

Other questions arising have to do with 'Mindsight'. Sometimes when we are in the dark Void and still can 'sense' our body or an environment 'somehow'. In Kenneth Ring's 2008 book of the same name he examined the same phenomenon happening to OBErs or NDErs among the blind and discovered they then also can 'see' in some way, even the people who've been blind from birth.

Moreover, recently the practice of 'Seeing-Without-Eyes', dubbed as 'Remote Vision' by Tom Campbell. It is taught especially to children and slowly gaining momentum and recognition. Here you can see more on this practice with this YouTube documentary (turn on English subtitles): Sehen Ohne Augen (Seeing Without Eyes) - Matrixwissen Doku.

So even here with all of these different types of experiences the same question arises: Do we then also go through the Void or is there at least a connection?
I have to leave all of these questions unanswered. I tend to believe that especially Exit Blindness, Tunnels, Mindsight, Half-sleep-darkness are the same state as or at least closely linked to the Void.

Universal Structure, Source & Natural State Of Consciousness:

So the previous chapters already touched on this issue: Is the Void ubiquitous, permeating, everywhere? Even 'surrounding' every state of consciousness? Is it the basic layer behind of all our conscious experience and all 'reality'? Is the state of 'no-datastream' (according to Tom Campbell) or 'no reality' our 'natural, primordial' state as all-pervasive consciousness?

The astral explorer's experience seems to confirm this suggestion. The Void is a hub or a mode of travel to get to virtually any level or plane of reality. It is literally 'all-pervasive'. Like a road network of a big city. Like veins in our bodies. Fred Aardema's quote from his book describes it beautifully:

'To fully understand the void, it is important to realize that it does not only occur at the end of the transition process. Rather, the void constitutes a space of nothingness that exists in between all OBE environments. It is the invisible glue that permeates all conceivable environments you could possibly encounter.'
--Frederick Aardema, Explorations in Consciousness, p. 276
www.unworlding.com/whatsvoid.html

And is it even 'Source' itself? Is it pre-creation? Or a kind of metaphysical Matrix? Maybe there is a 'yes' and 'no' answer to it. Maybe it is part of Source? Or an expression of Source? Or just a way to 'see' it? For me it is meanwhile not too daring to say 'it is Source' even though this is maybe not the whole picture.

After all, it has been clearly described as 'Source' (God?) in Dolores Cannon's accounts (see Part II). We as souls or 'sparks of Source' can leave Source and assume different states of existence in manifested realties, universes, planes - including (but not exclusive to) the physical experience, such as our current Earth lives as humans.

Let's try an analogy: I would like to compare this entire picture to (3 of the 4) states of matter that water can take on. I use this just just as a metaphor, so it is not to be taken too literally. As 'gaseous' state (water: vapour) we are in our most coherent and 'weightless' state, close to Source or Source (our true Home) itself. We can enter and experience mental and astral realms in a 'fluid' (water: 'liquid') state. The physical experience can be aliged with the solid (water: ice) state - the most dense and 'heavy' one. In this nice picture we can see all three states of water represented: Ice, liquid and vapour clouds.

SEE GALLERY: PIC 7 - MOUNTAINS

However, there is another aspect to it: Water as a kind of 'sea of consciousness' is also always still 'one'. So in this picture we are 'all of it': ice, fluid and vapour. This would mean that while we are in different states (solid, liquid, gaseous) parts of us can still be all of it simultaneously. A drop in the ocean and the ocean itself. So we might actually never have left our true home? Therefore we can be (in) the Void while we are human, too. We occupy this state probably all the time, or at least very often, e.g. during sleep.

Which exactly of the states best corresponds to the Void is a good question: Certainly it's not 'solid', but it might be 'gaseous' or 'fluid' - or both. Or plasma? However, remember that I used this comparison only for a better understanding anyway and we all know analogies are never perfect.

Monroe's/Kepple's Focus level methodolgies are exactly based on this 'mystic' view of reality, too. It postulates that we are all-pervasive consciousness. We just put a 'Focus' on a certain state (physical/solid, astral-mental/liquid, higher/gaseous) - one at time. When we are incarnated (solid) as humans then our 'normal' or 'default' Focus is on the physical world experience (Monroe: C1, Kepple: F1) - at least while we are fully awake with our brains in beta-waves mode. It changes during sleep or other altered states of consciousness.

And if we are lucky as humans it can happen in our lifetime that for short moments we become consciously one with the 'Sea' again while we may also still be an individual drop at the same time and remember parts of it later. This type of OBE is usually called a Unity / God / Source / Mystic Experience. Many mystics, monks, sages, gurus and adepts taught and wrote about it in the course of history. It can happen to the 'normal' astral projector (OBEr) and the NDEr alike.

The Chakra Question:

Kurt Leland's quote and also Robert Bruce's work with the energy body and energy centers (chakras) for me wonderfully add to the complete picture.

If it is true that we as souls experience realities / planes in corresponding and equivalent vessels (which we call 'bodies') then it makes sense to postulate that there is a universal and analogous structure to all of them on each level. This universal structure is energetic because only on the physical plane we have a biological brain/body-unit with its own high complexity. So what is the overlaying body unit? It is postulated and observed by some explorers and clairvoyants that also energy bodies have the chakras (energy centers or vortexes). So this means that chakras, like ourselves and our 'bodies/vessels' are multidimensional.

Kurt Leland attributes certain functions to the chakras to experience each body and astral plane. How good you are at experiencing a reality level depends on how you are capable of turning the corresponding chakras all on, e.g. the mental body chakras for the mental plane. I repeat the part of his quote from above where he lists the functions of each chakra, remember that this process repeats itself on every plane/level:

What creates the feeling of voidness is that only one or two chakras of the body in question are active:
First chakra gives the sense of being in a different body, but no sense of being in a space. The body may itself be perceived as a self-contained space; no beings, no possibility of movement. This would be one example of voidness.
Second chakra gives the sense of being in a different space or on a plane, but without perception of beings, and with no experience of movement. This would be a more expansive experience of voidness.Third chakra provides movement.Fourth chakra provides ability to perceive other beings and identify them through empathy.Fifth chakra provides ability to communicate with other entities.Sixth chakra coordinates all sense perceptions from other chakras into a coherent whole.Seventh chakra dissolves the perceptual biases of a body and plane in preparation for shifting the focus of exploration and growth to the next higher body.
Kurt Leland (via E-mail)

So for example, in order to experience the body itself the root chakra must be activated. Does that e.g. mean that in a projected Void state with no input we do not have any chakra activated? If we then start to feel (being in) a body we have the root (first) chakra activated. If we feel space around us we also have the second chakra activated. If we see or hear and communicate with 'people' there we have other higher chakras activated. Note that in the void this could possibly be the astral body's chakras. All the time, even without any chakra (no matter which level, physical or astral or whatever) switched on, we are at least point-consciousness with our thinking capacity and (self-)awareness turned on.

SEE GALLERY: PIC 8 - CHAKRAS

This is an intriguing theory which I really like. For me it makes sense. I see no contradiction with other views although it is often said to be incompatible with 'modern' views such as the Monroe / Kepple school. It can be unified in my view.

On the higher levels though (F4, Higher Self, Source) I would suggest, since we usually experience them body-less that the chakras play a lesser or no role at all. It would not make sense since we do not need bodies. We are 'pure' consciousness, in no form at all or only a 'form' of point consciousness. This leads me to the definition of Point Consciousness.

Point Consciousness Types:

In my view, the term 'point-consciousness' could represent even three states:
  1. The state of higher 'divine' mind (higher F3, F4) / Higher Self or even the state of merging or being merged with Source / God.
  2. The state of an energy body that roams the astral realms with lower chakras switched off and thus without body (feeling). The true invisible 'observer mode'. However this could also mean that higher 'communication' and perceptional chakras function instead, especially the 7th chakra (see Leland's list for this).
  3. The 'proper' Void state with no feeling of any body or any 'additional' senses (chakras) turned on, as it was also described by Tom Campbell above.

Light And Darkness:

For some of us with our culturally ingrained spiritual beliefs this can be an emotional or even ironic issue. We normally fear the dark which is something evil for us. On the other hand we seek and love the light. We associate light with higher spiritual realms or even with God/Source itself. I do not believe this to be wrong. However, the Void shows that it is by far not the whole story.

The Void experience completely upsets this 'all-good-is-light-and-all-evil-is-dark'-belief, which is almost a cliché. The Void is even described as something that makes us feel home. Something that helps us 'find ourselves' and lets us meditate. It is fundamental. It is helpful. It is cozy. It is calm. It is peaceful. It is the 'All-Good' - the expression used in my opening quote in Part I taken from the 'Tibetan Book Of the Dead'. Yes, we also have the fearful NDE accounts but from a more experienced projectors point of view they seem almost nullified. Moreover a great deal of NDE reports from the Void are also neutral or even positive.

The Void's Tools Of Creation: Light & Sound:

But what is more fundamental, the dark void or the light void? What might constitute 'Source'? And who made who or what made what? We might find the answer in Dolores Cannon's account again. Let's revisit a small but crucial excerpt from her book:

D: Is that nothingness comparable to the Source, or are those two different things?
T: It would be the Source.
D: Because I’ve heard the Source described as light.
T: It is the darkness from which the light comes. It is beyond the light.
(...)
There may be something beyond that, but that is what I see from where I am. The nothingness. And from the nothingness comes the light. And from the light comes the differentiation that we call the somethingness.
- Dolores Cannon

So it seems that light is an already created / manifested reality coming from the (dark) Void. It is like in quantum physics where 'nothing' (no thing) creates a 'thing' out of itself. And the 'thing' could be light.

Moreover, when we go through the Void as a transportation gate, tunnel or buffer zone each time we project then this also shows that light is connected to creation: astral, mental and physical planes or any kind of 'created' reality. It can be a kind of collective environment (F1, F3 and higher) or a scene from our individual creation such as the dream world and thought responsive astral realms in F2 (4D).

Nick Newport's outlined structure (as mentioned in Part II) also supports this reality model. Here is his succession of layers again, this time the Type B Void added in-between:

Dark Void (Type A, state of non-creation, no data) --> pinpoints of light (swirls, Type B, state of readiness to jump or sign of creation onset) --> white void (Type C, more light signifying impending reality entry or creation) --> created or entered existing reality planes (including the physical plane as one of many)

The same or a similar principle could apply to us as 'souls'. Val Valerian (see Part II) described the Higher Self as a 'jellyfish of light' in the Void. So even our Higher Self is a form of creation from Source by splitting off as a light spark. We as another subdivision are a spark of our Higher Self that is sent out to 'explore' and 'experience' other (lower, 'denser') realities manifested by light. First we exist as Higher Self (the unit closest to Source/God) and then from there we expand ourselves via all types of 'incarnations'. The book cover graphic in Part II exactly shows this picture.

In Quantum Physics we also seem to have similar concepts. Remember David Bohm, the famous quantum physicist, who also said that all matter actually was 'frozen light'. This might not just be metaphorical or poetic language.

SEE GALLERY: PIC 9 - DAVID BOHM

This article from Collective Evolution sheds 'light' (no pun intended) on these new concepts which actually correspond a lot to ancient mysticism and beliefs about conscious creation of the universe from the void / nothing / no thing:

www.collective-evolution.com/2018/12/04/another-quantum-theory-emerges-suggesting-creation-didnt-start-with-the-big-bang/

A new physics theory posits that creation comes from the void, which is characterized by non-physical properties. This has been categorized as "ether" by scientists in the past, but today we can actually detect it.

Regardless of 'what comes first', light or darkness, the close interaction of dark and light in creation is an important takeaway for us here. This universal principle can also be found in the famous Taoist Yin-Yang icon. One is contained within the other. A principle of mutual inclusion, which we find also among the universal principles of 'fractals' and 'holography'. One cannot even 'exist' or 'create' without the other. Creation needs both principles. The light and the dark energy or state. It is the basis for creation.

SEE GALLERY: PIC 10 - YIN-YANG

Still another question remains: How about sound? In the Eastern teachings it is not light but a certain sound that is fundamental to the creation of reality: Om or Aum.

Om (ॐ) is a sacred sound and a spiritual symbol in Hinduism, that signifies the essence of the ultimate reality, consciousness or Atman. It is a syllable that is chanted either independently or before a mantra in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om

Juergen Ziewe (see Part II) also witnessed the creation by sound directly in the Void. I repeat the quote from above:

I requested consciousness to be taken to the “Big Bang”. Suspended within a black void and in full waking consciousness I observed four sounds with their wave forms which influence and modified one another on feedback. A feedback of incredible harmonies and of increasing complexity, escalating and generating an almost infinite complexity of wave forms. At one point the experience became all too much for me and I returned to the relative comfort of my physical identity, but I figured that the feedback process may have reached such a high degree of intensity that it may have finally exploded into a “Big Bang”, but that I did not see.
www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/What_was_before_the_Big_Bang.html

Sound and vibrational Healing modalities also show the benign influence of healing tones and music on our body that bring more coherence to our state of mind and body. So it works on the mental as well as the physical level.

Cymatics is another hint to the creation or influence of matter with sound. The sound 'Om' displays itself as follows in an astounding way, as is shown in the first video of these three examples:

Video: Steven Halpern Great Pyramid OMs Cymatics
Video: Cymatics
Video: Cymatic Music

Maybe we cannot really answer which of these two (light or sound) products of the Void is the more fundamental or 'first' one. Generally, in the Void and for us humans in the physcial world both primary sensations, visuals (sight) and sound (hearing), are for sure the most important senses needed to perceive and experience reality. Light and sound are both more or less wave-based vibrational information. In the physical they are then decoded by our biological brains for information, interaction and a general 'functioning' on this reality level.

However, the Void shows us that we can exist as 'mind' and 'awareness' without these senses turned on. For creation or experience of creation both are needed or even can be used equally. Many of the sources and quotes used in this article indicate that both sound and light are originally created in and/or emanate from the Void. The Void is thus maybe the very foundation of reality itself.

However, we cannot know with 100% certainty if there is even something behind the Void (or even behind that and so on, which is akin to the philosophical concept of 'infinite regress') or if there are more Voids that represent different Sources / Gods. This is also what the hypnotically regressed person in Dolores' Cannon quote above said: 'There may be something beyond that'.

Even Tom Campbell in his MBT theory does not exclude the possibility of more 'AUMs' (Absolute Unbounded Manifolds, his equivalent of the consciousness-as-reality-based 'God' / 'Source' / 'All-That-Is'): See on Googlebooks from his Trilogy 'My Big Toe', chapter: 'An Even Bigger Picture'.

To sum up, I believe that we as humans will never fully grasp what the fundamentals of reality are. As temporary 3D beings we are limited in our understanding as well as in our access to information. All we can do is explore, observe and describe things just by approximation; and from there we further theorize and speculate. This article was an attempt at this by providing corroborated evidence mostly via 'eye witness' reports and base some speculations and conclusions on it. No more, no less. The answer of what really constitutes 'Source / God' cannot be given with full assurance. Not by anyone. Maybe never as long as we stay incarnated.

That is the essence of being human: Live fully and gracefully with uncertainty.

Outlook & Part VI

My quest will go on. Every Void experience creates more questions than answers found. So there might be an update as a sixth part with more transcripts and further insights, speculations and conclusions in the future.

I will explore further topics about Earth's and Mars' past. I will experiment with meditation in the Void. I will try to further improve my communication and information gathering methods with the Void. I will also find out more about who/what is 'behind' the Void. As a musician I will also start experiencing music which I shamefully so far missed out on. Other senses like smell and touch will be tested, too. Finally, some more past life info will be added. So in future there is more 'content' coming up for sure. Much work to do!

Thank you for reading this and your continued interest.

Sinera Arenis
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The Void (Article) & OOBB-Forum

12/6/2018

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I decided for the time being to post my article on the new OBE-forum I created, called 'The Out-Of-Body-Boards' (OOBB). Due to formatting issues it might take a while until it appears here. This Blog remains the main source for my Journal and other (shorter) articles. The article is very long and can be read here:

http://out-of-body.boards.net/thread/26/void

Thank You. Sinera Arenis.
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The Library (On The Mental Plane)

5/15/2018

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Note: This is a copy and in most cases edited/updated version of the original post on my Astraldynamics Journal. The original link is to be found here.

10/Nov/2010

This one is so far another highlight for me and one of my most clear, impressive and also longest lucadventures. Kurt Leland told me it was a "big achievement" when I did a short account of it in another forum thread on Astral Dynamics (more on that below under 'Comments'). I couldn't ever bother to disagree. ;-)

This 'achievement' also had some consequences for my private (physical) life. In its aftermath it helped to direct me again towards a (not-so-new!) goal and re-inforced the decision to pursue it (again), a goal I had already considered about 1.5 years ago but dumped at the time. Also here: A little more on this below.

As said I had already told parts of this amazing lucidventure in another thread, but it never was the 'whole story' with all the facts, so it was a "hole story" instead ;-). Here is the "whole story" now:

I start in an almost completely lucid state from my "portal" which has come to be my childhood bedroom. I fly out of the window, which is indeed the 'gate' to the astral. I am flying high over an unknown city. A big one, so it cannot be the small town of my childhood any longer. I notice this. I think to myself, that despite the fact that it looks real I want to do sth else and finally get the idea to 'leave this plane for a higher one'. I do not program any specific target, just 'take me to a higher plane'. So I ask for assistance and start to rise, faster and faster.

First I only see fog. A kind of foggy tunnel with different shades of white and grey.

Then (...wow!) I land in a huge "hall" in a kind of lobby or reception area as it seems. From there on there is no flying anymore, everything becomes physically Earth-like again. And VERY realistic to me. The architecture of this huge dome-like place is intricate and impressive.

My journal entry says that I hurry to get there since I am always aware of the fact that I "am projecting" and might - as usual for me - not have a lot of time before I get hurled back into waking physical reality.

Note: This is the first sign for me in hindsight that I was indeed highly lucid then and I knew about the urgency to explore all of this (fast) since this place was highly unusual and I knew that possibly I would not get another chance to come here again so soon. Therefore ... it's grab all you can. ;-)

I then am 'on foot' since no more flying is seemingly possible or 'allowed' (?) as a rule here. It might also be I just did not think of it anymore because it was all so naturally Earth-like. Even more 'real' and vibrant (in colours) than Earth. So I walk up some steps to a group of people.

There is a kind of 'enrolment procedure' taking place since this is a kind of university I learn or just suddenly 'know'. So it is with freshers being welcomed and introduced by tutors, groups being formed. (In hindsight, note: I did not have to ask for everything, some things just came to me, I just suddenly knew!). It is all like a kind of old and noble university or school.

The group which I join then, seems to be led by a girl (like me then, they all seemed to be in their mid-20ies from their appearance, too!) named Irina or Irene. She seems to hold some papers or a notebook and explains things. I greet her by fully embracing her with my arms, like you do with an old buddy or familiar person not seen for a long time.

So there seems to be initial trust, I wouldn't usually embrace a stranger, neither in physical and even less in non-physical reality. Next to trust, this is also a kind of expression of my joy of 'knowing' that I finally have made it to this very special place. In hindsight, I cannot now rule out the idea that I even felt I knew this place and these people before (hence the trust), as if it was a sort of homecoming. But that is only a slight intuition or 'feel' about it. I cannot remember saying to s.o. of them "hello, it's me again" or "ah, it's you again, how are you?". It was just that feeling of familiarity.

Anyway, despite familiarity with the situation or surroundings I have to ask for their names. I repeat the names then to myself. I do this all as a memorisation technique, with the certitude that I need to 'download' this information into my waking memory. I NEEDED and WANTED desperately to remember their names! (In hindsight: It is another clear sign of my enhanced lucidity and awareness that I asked these people twice or even three times each for their names in order to be able to remember it all when 'back'. I was fully aware of the situation and the needs.)

They were all very patient and nice with me and seem to understand my needs and overall situation. At one point, I told them that I was "not dead" (LOL) and - perhaps even with a little pride - that "I am an astral projector". They smile when I say this and seem to acknowledge this with understanding without being too surprised about this as it seems.

So I keep repeating over and over that "unfortunately I don't have a lot of time before I'm forced to go back". My notes also tell me (quote): "I get nervous of fear that I can't hold it for so long and start moving from one foot to the other to prevent me from 'waking up' and vanishing". I do not myself now remember my footstomping action anymore - which is intriguing as it is a typical human nervousness syptom, isn't it? - but since I recorded this immediately after my return and waking up, I take it for granted.

Three persons (those whose names I asked several times) are Irene/Irina (the 'tutor'), Rafaela (a beautiful woman with even a little lascivious air) and Michael a more calm and serene guy. We talk more and laugh a lot and have friendly chats, but I do not remember the content of it all unfortunately. Except for the names (on which I focussed so hard) a lot has been lost and could not be retrieved as memory.

Then I walk away further, as seemingly arranged and agreed, with Michael who will explain some things to me and show me around. We walk through some rooms of a nearby library. There are some smaller rooms we pass through also, like reading and study groups rooms.

I see other students there, one guy even wears some glasses. This is very intriguing in hindsight, glasses needed in the astral? Quite strange - but maybe type of his personality now or a remnant from a past life in a more recent century that he does not want to drop, maybe also a sign of his intellectual and studying existence and activity here?

The library looks almost old-fashioned and 'classical'. I see shelves full of books, large tomes, old books and skripts, but also in piles on some tables. I do not remember computer hardware or anything, so it resembles more a kind of 70ies or even much earlier library on Earth.

To make sure, I ask my chosen guide's name again. He says 'Michael' again, without being irritated by my obstination with this, when we turn around another corner.

I already seem to know (or he told me?) that this is something like the faculty of Alternative Medicine or even more specifically the department for Homeopathy in this larger library comprising all human knowledge in science and culture, it seems. I also just seem to 'know' this.

Finally we find our target, a little office room, but even this one has a lot of books there on shelves and on the table. We take a seat at a table in comfy armchairs for a talk. The scene is again quite "mundane". Michael starts telling about this place (In hindsight: I forgot most of that) and then begins a talk about 'the history of Homeopathy', maybe even read sth from a book or some note she has. Before that I have already apologised to him in anticipation and told him that I feel that I might not be able to "hang on" here any longer and will be taken back to my reality. It is already an unusually long stay 'out' for me. He is (as all of them) very sympathetic and says that it's okay. I also say thanks for everything and start to listen then.

He starts with the overview on the history of Homeopathy and I am surprised that he does not start with Samuel Hahnemann (the 'inventor' or discoverer of Homeopathy in the 18/19th century). Instead he traces the origins of this type of medicine to something different. I even think he places it into ancient Greek times, but later I don't remember exactly what he tells me in detail. Just that it is 'older' than I thought it was and goes way back in its origins.

However, I only get the first sentences of the 'lecture' / 'presentation'. Then the seemingly unavoidable happens, I start to 'wane'. I see him smile at me, then the scene vanishes and I 'go back'.

I am very fast back in my astral starting point, the "portal". But oh dear, this time I really 'slam' back, something I'd never experienced before. It is really as if I had more 'impact' force falling down from the height of this 'higher plane' !!!
I'm clinging quite literally to the wall (looking like a spider) above my bed in my childhood bedroom (which I call Lightportal, as I am projecting to this place very often, so this time I just 'returned' there from another higher plane projection).
Clinging to this wall I am still shaking and trembling heavily from the 'impact' for a while. It is as if I have to really 'absorb shock' the 'landing' from that place 'on high'. This is strange since one would not expect physical effects like this. But that is how it was! It is dark in the room. Only after the trembling stops I jump down to my bed.

But there is no time for doing more because then I wake up in my bed in physical reality with my usual PREES (post reentry electricity sensations), telling me that was an unusual experience, but I've known that already, of course. ;-)

Comments / Afterthoughts

Some comments regarding my state of lucidity or other elements of the background and later analysis are already given in the text above. I admit I still wrestled a bit afterwards with the fact that I only asked for their names and not for so much more information that could have been retrieved from there.

As a kind of 'validation' I checked on ancient roots of homeopathy. Indeed it turned out that there might be a Greek origin. Hippokrates is often mentioned whose principles also seem similar to some degree ot those of naturopathy although he is also hailed as the first 'modern' medical philosopher and doctor from his writings. Paracelsus who was a medieval doctor and an influence for Hahnemann / homeopathy without doubt ('the dose makes the poison' is his saying) is also mentioned since he has his roots in Greek philosophy and medicine, too. So it is true that even Hahnemann was already standing on the shoulders of giants with his work, so to speak (figuratively and metaphorically).

Don't ask my why I did not ask and memorise other important points, such as what this place exactly is and what my relation to them and this place was. So many questions. But possibly I asked for it and received answers and the memory of it got lost for me.

Once I thought that this whole place might even have been my Higher Self (some say that you also have libraries like soul records / life books there!) and the guys I met my incarnations or aspects, but now I am more convinced that it was a usual educational area with 'other' people. Perhaps it even formed part of the overall (akashic) libary and education system, possibly in what's called Focus 27 by the Monroe Institute, where there is also a 'Library' area.

It is notable how 'real' and 'physical' it all seemed. Many seasoned explorers of the non-physical spiritual realms already reported that the highest levels you can get to as a human projector are even more real than our physical world. And they are stable. And so it also was in my experience. There were no longer any 'reality fluctuations' or created thought forms or fast changing environments or whatever we know from the astral lower realms or our dreams (which might be the same place anyway). It was HYPER-real.

Kurt Leland, author and teacher on Astral Projection and spiritual development (who was also part of that forum back then) placed the library in the 'Mental' plane of the non-physical, which is above the Astral plane. This he told me after I asked him about this experience a few days later (and even before I wrote the it in my official lucidiary) on the forum in another forum thread.

Here is the entire text (thanks to Kurt again even years later, we recently had E-Mail contact again in 2018 for my article on "The Void' and he is and always was a nice and helpful guy!) and the link to that thread. Please note that Kurt is a Theosophist and uses a theosophy-based system for his cosmology about planes and bodies. Also note that 'Volgerle' is a nick I used before I changed it to 'Sinera' on that forum.  It is still my avatar name on the Astral Pulse forums by the way.

Kurt Leland on my experience:

This is for Volgerle--

As near as I can tell, your experience was not a simulation at all. You were on the astral plane. There are private and public areas of the Dream Zone. The private areas are reserved for your personal dreams. That's where you started from with the imagery of your childhood bedroom.

The public areas can look like a city. So you were not viewing a physical plane city at all, but a busy and populous astral plane area that you interpreted (or represented to yourself) as a city.

You then ascended through several levels of the astral plane until you reached the lower levels of the next higher plane, the mental plane. Those levels often look like a library or educational area. This is actually a big achievement. You were not in your astral body, but your mental body.

The clouds and tunnel-like effect were intended to make you think of accounts of near-death experiences so you would realize you were making a transition into another body.

When you say that you've stopped being concerned over whether you were in a lucid dream, astral projection, or other altered state, you're outlining the frame of mind I was hoping defectron [edit: another forum member also asking questions, HC] might experience in order to get to the mental plane so he can learn from the akashic records.

The fact that you were willing to ask for guidance is also a good sign. So many projectors try to do it all with their will and never think to ask for help (maybe it's a guy thing, like never asking people on the street for directions when you're lost?).

The next step for you might be to go back to that educational zone and find out more about it. One helpful practice might be to carry the energy hands exercise I described in an earlier post one step further. Ask the energy hands to move from the etheric to the astral to the mental body layer of your energy field, about 18-36 inches from the surface of your skin and leave them there as you fall asleep. Also, do everything you can to remember what that educational zone felt like--that's the energetic ident of the place and can help you locate it again.

Your experience is very exciting, but illustrates another issue I've had to address in my book. Lots of people have AP experiences that take them to the mental plane but don't know what it is or how they got there or that they're in a different body. They get confused because none of the book descriptions of physical plane or astral plane projections fit their experience.

Congratulations!

Link to original post on Astraldynamics on 16th Nov 2010 is HERE.
Kurt's Website is HERE.

My Questions / Conclusions from Kurt's explanations:

If this was the lower Mental Plane (educational zone) already and I was in my Mental body does this explain the heavy repercussions when I 'slammed back' into my Astral body in my private area (Lightportal) before waking up in my physical again? it seems so and makes sense.

Is the Lightportal (private Astral) then really a portal to the public Astral when I fly through the window? Again, it seems so according to Kurt's explanations.

So is the tunnel also signifying the changing of the body together with the plane we enter (here: Astral to Mental, then back to Astral, then to Physical body). This also makes a lot of sense to me.

Background, Aftermath & Significance

Some remarks on the background and also the aftermath showing how utterly significant this lucidventure was - and still is today - for me:

One and a half years before this, I indeed already had considered to start a training as an Alternative Health Practitioner including Homeopathy as one of my therapy offerings. So this might explain why my higher/super- or sub-conscious mind steered me to that place and not somewhere else.

It should also be mentioned that exactly around that time for some weeks (Nov 2010) I was visiting a healer for Reconnective Healing, I also was 'reconnected' (= aligned to axiatonal gridlines) then, but a little later in December if I remember correctly.

I considered to become a Reconnective Healer myself and I did indeed in 2015 then. Took me a while, but I did it. Likewise I became a Naturopath trained in Homeopathy and other subjects. It came true ... Maybe that (together with my former intention) also influenced the 'visit' to this destination. And it kindled my motivation afterwards. A kind of mutually reinforcing relationship of intent and dedication was the effect.

Furthermore, around that time in Nov., one night, after a longer talk with someone (guide(s) / Higher Self?) in dream or hypnagogic state, my hands became energy-activated almost 'by command after I was asked for permission ("so let's activate them? ok!")' Immedately then I woke up with tingling/burning hand palms.

Ever since this moment I feel energy (from slight tingling until stronger burns or magnetic tugging, although it's still all bearable and controllable sensations) now almost constantly in my hands. So it stayed 'activated'. My observations prove to me that the tingling gets stronger when I think or write about any spiritual matters, and even more so when I do energy work exercise, healing or self-healing with them!

A fascinating experience altogether. And I love to remember it. I never made it back though. At least so far. But I now while copying and (heavily) editing this in May 2018 noticed that I never tried out Kurt's technique he proposed to me, the one with the energy hands in the range of your Mental Body when you fall asleep or try to project.
I will try it soon. So who knows? It might work now after all. I might return one day.

The saga continues. ;-)
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Invisible Helping Hands, Vibrations & Electricity

5/14/2018

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Note: This is a copy and in most cases edited/updated version of the original post on my Astraldynamics Journal. The original link is to be found here.

17/Mar/2010

In this lucidventure, we see three new striking elements, that remained a consistent 'theme' (with variations) of my experiences even until today: the "Helping Hands"and "Post-ReEntry Electricity" (PREE)*. I also had the first 'real' (soft) vibrations!

(* a note in anticipation for the fussy ones among us about logic and linguistics: post- and re- is not a redundant doubling of two prefixes actually meaning the same thing, 'post-' here really means to decribe what happens after re-integration, not during it. However, later I noticed I already feel the onset of them when I am still 'out' / projected in the Astral, it is a returning sign for me or a warning to do some anchoring techniques to prolong the experience.)

According to my log, I again was on my back with both arms raised and a trembling (vibrations) much "lighter than during my very first success" (note how I felt the need to note this down again! ).
Suddenly two hands grab the hands of my outstretched arms and "help me up and out". It seems, I also asked for it. I fly around in my room but I do not see anybody else, so the helper remains 'invisible' even in the astral for me.

The second one is a constant accompanyment of many of my lucadventures. It happens after re-integration and after waking up. That means I am wide awake (and in no trance) when I experience it. It is an electric, chilly feeling around my entire body and it lasts for about 20 seconds to half a minute, sometimes even longer. It always pops up after a lucid experience confirming what I already know anyway: I did not have a 'normal dream'.

Comments / Afterthoughts

This lucadventure is of course much longer than I wanted to describe here since I focused on the two themes. If you like, you can see another and longer version of it posted here on Astraldynamics. What happened (in short) was that I was in my physical room indeed and flew out of the window where I then somehow experienced reality fluctuations (interference with higher astral planes, so it was no longer just the physical, this happens often, more on that topic you can find in my article about the 'Validations' here on my blog).

After this experienced and the fluctuations between the physical (astral/RTZ) plane and astral planes or own thought forms created I asked Robert about the difference of lucid dreaming vs. a 'real' astral experience with relation to this lucidventure in the Ask-Robert-section again. Robert said it was a legit 'astral/OBE'-experience. Well, as you know, today, I do no longer make any fuss about these distinctions anyway (see my introduction).

As to the 'helping hands', I have three hypotheses as to its cause:
1. Myguide
2. Myself
3. Myhigherself
(4. after this was repeated on different lucidventures I by now can exclude the fourth hypothesis of any other astral projector or entity that "happens" to be present there and then.)

As regards 1): that can of course be any other 'facilitator' as well (and it turns out in later lucadventures where I saw them, this might even be a likely case)
As regards 2): possibly my subconcious "I" 'creates' the hands to be used as an "exit tool", just as other projectors create ladders or ropes to get out.

I also asked about my 'PREE-phenomenon' on an Astraldynamics thread, but as it turned out to my utter amazement that almost no one experiences it. Just like the hands and the peristaltic waves, it seemd specific to me.
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I Am "Ms Ladyvoice"

5/13/2018

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Note: This is a copy and in most cases edited/updated version of the original post on my Astraldynamics Journal. The original link is to be found here.

10/Jan/2010

So this is indeed my lucidventure #4 (after the quasi-NDE and the two 'brutal' waves experiences, the second one  been days after where I also encountered the Void for the first time, but more on that later on), but below I will also give a short synopsis of #5 due to a thematic connection. Don't worry, I will make big jumps through 2010 with a few chosen 'thematic' lucidventures only, since my newest adventures are pretty exciting now and I want to get at them asap. However, I deem these 'first ones' worthy of this kind of raised attention because it makes sense (at least for me ) to retrace my initial development.

Interestingly, my diary notes on that day say that it was all "too early" for me for a new attempt. I wanted to resume projecting, but not yet. However, that morning I caught myself in hypnagogia and 'decided' due to a (literally!) 'whim' in that trance state to be an opportunist and use the situation to give it a try again.

Even more interesting is the fact that the log entry tells me that I did NOT HAVE ANY VIBRATIONS again during the whole exit attempt. So I still had no "normal" vibrations to that point and after. The entry just tells of a 'sinking feeling' and a slight whistling sound on the right ear. The stiff 'prothesis'-arm raised with my energy body rolled on the back also features again.

However, the most striking and (til today) unique event is this: My affirmation, which then was the same as used in 2009: "I am out-of-body now." suddenly 'switched' and it was said by a different voice. Not just the voice was changed though. The way of speaking, such as intonation, articulation, mood, emotive and 'personality' additions was completely changed, too. That means: It sounded like another person entirely.

And it was a WOMAN. And yet: it was ME SPEAKING this and not someone else. So don't be mistaken: it is NOT at all comparable to a kind of modulation of one's own voice (such as speaking through a sound system into a mike with effects on, or by inhaling helium). It was me speaking as another person. I also heard the voice from a bit farther off, but still clear and loud. Actually, when I think of it again, I believe it was 'everywhere' (in my head and outside around me) and I could not attribute it to any point in the (physical) room. The voice was beautiful, angelic, soft, tender, empathetic, and as it seemed it tried its best to to reassure and soothe me.

Now the funny thing: It might not have been a AFF-irmation at all but rather a CON-firmation !!!

That means (from today's view only, of course) that I already was out of my body, because I used the roll-out 'technique' - without knowing it. So the voice possibly just stated to me that I just could have gotten up and walked away, while I was still lying there, arms raised waiting for the exit to happen, on my back with my energy body, but thinking it was my physical body. That one, however was still lying 'unmoved' on the side! Not knowing this, I broke off the attempt. Only to wake up and wonder why I was - again - lying on my side now.
It is of course possible that the stiff arm might have hindered the exit and it was indeed an 'almost'-exit except for that arm. It will remain a mystery since fortunately is a typical feature of my early lucidventures and did not return for a long time now.

Yes, that's hilarious, I now. Well, we live and learn, don't we? And we all need to be able to laugh about ourselves and this is really the point that makes me laugh even today. I took me, however, quite a while to get past this point and thus get further up on the learning curve.
Many of the following attempts exactly were of this kind, with the only difference that they included then the famous 'vibrations' of the 'normal' kind, which it seems I had the first time during lucadventure #5 (but around that time I had some other very similar attempts following this one):

(translated logfile entry):
proj.5: 15/Feb/2010
again hypnagogic phase (ca. 8 a.m.) Again right arm and attempt with affirmations. My energy body is on the back again, this time I even put the second arm in the air. Vibrations are there, but much weaker than during the first times. But no disengagement. Or was I disengaged already? i give up after ca. 2 minutes of trying.

Some progress (from #4 to #5) is shown by the fact that I talk about my energy (instead of physical) body on the back and the first slight suspicion that I might have been "disengaged" already. Still, it seems I always expected a kind of spectacular "lift-off" from the ground instead of just completing the 'roll-out' and getting up. It seems that this was much too 'mundane and ordinary' for me even to consider then.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Many comments are already given in the text above. Just let me mention that this was the topic for my first post here when I joined.

For that original Link to my first post on Astral Dynamics click here.

There, Robert Bruce confirmed my guess, that this was probably my Higher Self, applying the reassuring voice to help me:

"This would appear to be a manifestation of your higher self, the voice. Beyond this, there is not much I can tell you. This is a positive thing."

This explains perfectly why I "spoke it" and "did not speak it" at once. I knew then, I was not 'alone' in my efforts anymore which made me happy.

By the way, the voice never came back (as yet). But I'm patient.
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First Induced OBE With Kundalini-Symptoms

2/14/2018

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Note: This is a copy and in most cases edited/updated version of the original post on my Astraldynamics Journal. The original link is to be found here.
21/Nov/2009

Mid-November, two months on, what had happened in the meantime? Well, not much. But I read a book. :-)

Only a week after the surgery, I browsed Amazon and probably by some (divine? / higher self?) intuition instead of searching for books on NDE, which would only have been understandable and which I also did at later points in time, I typed 'out-of-body' into the search field. (Btw, Astral Projection was not a term I knew a lot about then, I heard it but did not even relate it to OBE, but rather to sth like dreams, a kind of clairvoyance or even meditation (all of which is not even entirely wrong, of course).)
Almost naturally, Buhlman's book "Adventures Beyond The Body" (in German it is even "Out Of Body") came first. I bought it and read it. I was absolutely astounded how "simple" it seemed to be and that you could really "walk" through your living room as a non-physical being, and all that not just when you were "near death".

I did the induction exercises (combined visualisation/tactile practice and affirmation). Only after a few days of finishing the book and starting the practice, very early I had those talked about "energy sensations" during the night: I heard strange sounds, remember a lifted stiff arm (I think Buhlman also mentions it in a list of possible 'events') and had inner 'energetic' jumps and movements - all while in bed sleeping or in hypnagogia or when waking up from it. I knew now I was in for more.

This lucadventure might be categorised as a very classic RTZ-OBE. However, and that makes it interesting, it is 'framed' by a lucid dream conversion and a postlude False Awakening (semi-lucid) dream. So we have 3 'classics' in one pack. (After an NDE-type experience 2 months prior to this, I now already had received a huge bag of non-physical experience ... not so bad for a first-timer, huh? )

1) Dream Conversion

I dream that I am flying a familiar street of my old hometown uphill, approx. 3 metres above the ground, which leads to the street of my parent's home. In physical life, I have went and cycled (as child and schoolboy) and later driven it up with my car countless times.
However, suddenly one thing really strikes me then. Not the fact that I am flying. It is rather the fact of HOW I am flying. I am making swimming movements (breaststroke). I notice that this is so utterly stupid and funny alike. Why am I SWIMMING through the air instead of 'normally' flying? At this very instant, this observation literally TRIGGERS my exit sensations, and something starts that I will never in my life forget.

2) Out-Of-Body exit / RTZ-projection

The view changes drastically. I am lucid. And I see the ceiling of my bedroom. Strange thing is that the room appears to be with the light on. I see everything clearly. I am lying on the back (unusual for me) and I also see one arm lifted (again!). It is stiff, I cannot move it, it is fixed up in the air. I also don't really feel it, it is like an alien part or an artificial limb attached to my (otherwise also paralysed but still 'felt') body. But I also don't want to change anything about it.. I want out and I know it has started now. "It" is, besides my new view, the 'energy sensations' I feel.

However they are NOT the famous 'vibrations' at all. I did not know these vibrations then. Only later I did. Today, I know them well, of course, and I can say that this was VERY VERY different! Those WERE NO VIBRATIONS at all!

Sorry if this bores you now a bit, but I need to try to give a description as detailed as possibly, becausee I have a suspicion now of what it could have been, which I could not have known either then or during the following days and events, due to a lack of knowledge about these matters. I will enlarge upon my question later in the Comments section, but now first my attempt to render a detailed description of what I felt and then mistook as 'common vibrations' (what a joke from today's POV). I have, so far for me, not read ANY account on exit sensations here or elsewhere that has stated anything similar to this, which makes my inquiry even more urgent now as it was then.

As said, those 'energy sensations' were nothing like vibrations. Those were BALL-LIKE WAVES along the SPINE. Heavy, violent and almost disruptive as it seemed. Not from head to toe but only through my torso (neck to lower intestines / genital area). I cannot conclusively remember anymore if they went up-down (from neck area on downwards) or vice versa. It could have gone either way or even with a changing of directions.
I did NOT feel any pain. Just movement. Possibly I heard roaring, crackling, sizzling, rustling sounds which more or less correlated with the intensity of the wave-balls' movements. One wave going through my body lasted possibly 1 - 1.5 seconds. The 'low-tide' intervals probably 1 to 2 seconds on average. Sometimes the intensities varied. I tried to give it a graphic expression here, you see it is not absolutely regular, intervals for the pauses (-) as well as for down- or upward moving wave 'blobs' (O, o, 0) vary:

--O--O---o----O---0--o---O--O--o--> (time direction)

There are two words I would like to use to describe the whole movement: Orgasmic/Ejaculative and Peristaltic. But all that without the respective body feelings (unfortunately in the first case ).
So it was as if my torso would have been a great GIANT PENIS at the very moment of ejaculation or a part of the digestive system while it's transporting and processing its content in peristaltic muscle movements.
Another good way to compare it to would be strong electric jolts, but again and - in this case fortunately - without any feelings, just the "movement".

Again just to give an impression on what is meant by 'peristaltic' (mostly used in connection with pumps or the human digestive system), consider it like shown on the graph or the video, but only much much faster (1 wave-interval per 1-2 second or so):
Picture
So I hope you get the idea of what I went through - or better: what went through me - then!

And I was and still am sure it was 'not physical' at all. (How could it be ??! This is not the nervous system. I also should have felt pain then, I should have been bursting into parts! Any scoffers should explain it to me or better try experience this for themselves, and then they will admit: "this stuff is f***** real!")

What is even more strange, and it makes me marvel about myself (and I am not a warrior-type of guy!): I stayed completely calm. I let it happen. Maybe there was a kind of attitude involved telling me sth like "hey, you begged for it, so here we go, now don't complain and grit your teeth and get to it!". Maybe it was still due to my hypnagogic / trance-like state. But why did I not get out of it?
And that is not the entire story. I also endured it (knowing that it would ease off soon) because it was somehow FAMILIAR. It is a "I've-been-there-before"-feeling. But why and how? Discussion see below.

After it waned (or even when it was gone completely, not sure anymore) I started to lift. Possibly the subconscious reason for my lifted arm then was that I wanted to use it as a kind of 'launch ramp' all the time. That's another hint to a strange familiarity .. as said, this was my first conscious and deliberate projection, I had not done this before.

So I went out and the first thing to note is: The room was dark again as I slowly soared to my room's ceiling. I looked ahead then for the short time I looked at the wall and ahead again, the ceiling (immersed in darkness now again) before me.

It should be noted, I also had a strange voice when talking to myself shortly (or "thinking aloud"), it was somehow vibrating, sounding high and modulated (not the human-like female voice, that's a different story again). I don't remember anymore what I said to myself then, possiby some "oh"s or "ah"s only. That, however, again, was not orgasmic either.

Now the next funny thing: I stopped at the ceiling. And I did not know what to do. Then the idea to just "turn around". Turning around of what? Of me. But what is me? I have no idea if I had a "body" then because I had not paid attention to it/myself. I was just a cloud or point of consciousness during the whole exit.

Then I just "turned around" (no, it seemed I did not have the purported 360 degrees vision, I really shifted somehow). Looking down where me in the bed should have been I first only saw darkness. Then I concentrated (thinking also about BUhlman's short commands such as 'clarity now' or 'vision now'). After a while I could see a figure lying there on the side (not on the back). After a while I also could make out the face clearly. It was me. I looked pale in the darkness, almost a bit like a moon face.

But you know what striked me most about this, even today when I remember it (and which is possibly also responsible for the moon face appearance)? The kind of picture that really clings to my memory now that first comes to my mind when I remember this event, making this an almost iconic representation of this whole lucidventure:
The very weirdness of SEEING YOUR OWN FACE WITH CLOSED EYELIDS. I looked so 'strange' (in a double sense) that I even did not clearly recognise myself for a second because of this 'alienating' view. When do we see ourselves with closed eyelids? Logically, we don't in mirrors. On photo snapshots when we were blinded by flashlights or on surprise snapshots possibly. But "live" at the same instant? This picture sticks with me, probably for the rest of this life! I will never forget the picture of that guy that is me down there in the bed 'asleep' with closed eyelids. Even today, I count this experience among the top-ten of strange sensations and experiences of my adventures.

After I had 'identified' myself without the slightest doubt, which was otherwise not so difficult since all was 'realistic' and there were no dream imagery or reality fluctuations involved, I decided (wisely and as recommended for newbies) to cut it short and 'go back' immediately. I just went down, which was then much faster than going up.
However, before I re-integrated, another remarkable observation. First, for a split-second I saw my face 'close-up'. Secondly, I heard my breathing (exhale) - but different, as if still somehow from the outside.

3) False Awakening

I got up and went into the bathroom. I passed some time there, also looking at myself into the mirror. All looked normal. I reflected on the things passed now. I was happy at my success of 'astral projecting'. Then, only after quite a while, I thought to myself 'hey, why not go to my parent's bedroom now, and wake them and tell them what happened?'. Then I realised what a strange idea this was. (Possibly it was caused by the dream I had before about flying to my parent's home). Why did I say that? I was an adult now and I had not live with my parents in their home for many many years now. Then I realised that I was still dreaming and woke up.

Analysis / Afterthoughts

First of all, sorry, I will keep further posts on lucidventures much much shorter. I just felt the need to enlarge upon this, since it was my first 'projection', and due to all those circumstances and detailed memory. Therefore I restrict this section (although much more would be to say for me here) only to the issues of FAMILIARITY and KUNDALINI.

The issue of FAMILIARITY with those waves amazes me even today. Perhaps, in our super/sub-conscious memories and as reincarnating beings, we all "know" this already since it is similar to what happens when we die. Or perhaps I had/did this as a child in this life and just don't remember. Or I was a keen projector in a previous life. Or Perhaps I really only thought that THIS were the famous vibrations I read about (what a joke!). But today I know there were NO VIBRATIONS. Those were different. I had only one further experience like this a few days later. After the again-violent exit it failed due to exit blindness and fear issues.
Fear issues also kept me from going on then. I read more books on the topic. Monroe's first book actually increased my fears, it was so different from Buhlman's optimitic take on the issue. Then I read Bruce's Astraldynamics and while I did so, I sometimes had the feeling that I was falling out of my body in waking state! That was enough for me! I actually decided to have a break of a few months, not trying anything. I needed a rest (who should blame me after all that, I had my proper dosage, after all)? So I slammed the door shut again at the end of the year and I did not have any experiences (Sometimes I even affirmed "I stay inside my body" before sleeping!).

Maybe someone more experienced in this matter can answer this. Recently I came to suspect that it might actually have been a KUNDALINI-like experience (note the added "-like", please!). Here, people also report on spine-related 'snake'-like heavy energy sensations. If you look at the video I linked, you see that 'peristalctic' movement is indeed pretty 'snaky' if seen from a specific angle. But they also tell of body cramps and even danger of life. I did not feel this way although the waves also had a 'crampy' aspect to them. Of course, since mainly the torso was affected, it is highly likely for me that the energy was using a 'channel' that leads up/down the physical spine through which the 'awakened' energy was streaming in brutal thrusts of different intensity.
I could so far not really bother to dig deeper into the topic of Kundalini. If someone can tell me it is NOT Kundalini-related, I am fine. I wasn't keen on any Kundalini-experience so far. And if it was Kundalini, well, so be it, but I am even less keen to live through this again for understandable reasons. Two times is enough and I am happy in the end that later (according to logfile starting Feb 2010) I discovered that 'vibrations' are something very very different from that!
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First OBE: Near Death During Surgery (?)

2/8/2018

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Note: This is a copy and in most cases edited/updated version of the original post on my Astraldynamics Journal. The original link is to be found here.
23/Sep/2009

This was my first involuntary (as you might have guessed by the title already ) 'lucidventure'. And eventually it is the event that brought me on the path of APing, and - last not least - also brought me here into forums and communities of like-minded people just as this one.

This event might be categorised by some as a 'classic' OBE taking place within the larger frame of a "kind of" NDE, but not quite, as you will see below.

In September 2009, I went to the hospital for a necessary rectification of the nasal septum. It is a harmless everyday routine operation done generally for respiratory health improvement (no, it's nothing cosmetic! ). Nevertheless, this surgery demands a full narcosis and the tracheal intubation and mechanical ventilation, which means your air system gets paralysed so you don't breathe for yourself anymore.

I remember the preliminaries well, including being brought into the surgery anteroom and having to wait there, already a bit sedated in the hospital bed. Then a small-talk with the surgeon. Then into the surgery, being lifted onto the table by the staff, getting all the medical gear on your arms and being put to the machines, then s.o. put the breathing mask over my face from behind, telling me to take 1-2 deep breaths, and so was falling asleep after a few seconds. All routine. Business as usual.

Official medical and scientific theory says that under controlled anasthesia you are supposed to be in 'deep sleep' and only gain consciousness a long time after surgery again in the wake-up/recovery room.

So much for the theory.

I gained consciousness. I was lying in a bed. (So far, so good, according to theory...). But it was the bed of my childhood room. So I thought for a few seconds. Then I corrected my mistake after a while. I saw machines, gadgets. Immediately I knew where I was again. I was in the surgery.
I was not lying on the table. I seemed to be hovering - a bit above my (physical) head, as it seemed. I was at my "head side" but it seemed that I was a bit more lifted, I however don't remember seeing my body at all (I never looked there, though). I saw everything in colours - so vivid, intense, vibrant, warm and lush - colours that I never saw before (and never after, so far!) on Earth. I just looked from the left side (with all the gadgets) to the right where I saw the chief surgeon doing some routine measure on a kind of handlebar (as it seemed, but don't know exactly what it was) next to or at the side of the operating table.

But there was more: I read his thoughts!

And even that is not enough to describe it, because maybe I actually "was him" in that short moment, too. I was expressing sth to me - the guy on the table - which I also was - strange, huh?. What "he" "said" was this (not in words or literally - just in a seemingly telepathic expression, an entire instant thought bundle directed towards me, and coming from me alike - yeah, I know how that's weird ... It wasn't words to be heard or even grasped, just information entangled with feeling/emotion. I only paraphrase it here, clad into words, to convey the meaning (emotionally as well as content-related):

"Hey, everything's alright, chap, don't worry, it worked well and we are ready now."

But actually, I was far from being worried anyway!

I was in an UTTER STATE OF BLISS like never before in my life.

It must somehow be what the mystics talk about. Ultimate well-being, vibrant with life and happiness, it is beyond expression, it is not happiness we experience as humans, not even when drugged (I suppose). The vivid unearthly colours seemed to envigorate (but on the other hand also be an expression of my) permanent joy, too. And one more thing: It felt like home. I cannot express it better. It's this feeling of being home, secure, in the right place at the right time - all as the ultimate expression of happiness. I felt "home" in spite of still receiving the 'visual' input from the surgery. That is bliss. Home. Also Love, of course. But in the end, there was and is no difference between the two for me. Love is Home. Home is Love.

Unfortunately (for me then) it did not last too long. The whole scene took (in my perception) only a few seconds. Then the situation changed and my perception / consciousness switched to a completely different scene, but still in the surgery.
The bliss was gone. There was only soberness and neutrality. Nothing negative, but nothing positive either. The colours were gone, too. The picture I saw was blurry, like a big-pixled graphic movie with low resolution. The colours rather dull and neutral.
And my position was changed. I was hovering a little above but much further away, almost at level with the heads of the medical staff in height, but approx. 6-8 metres off. I would even not discount the fact that I 'saw it all through a wall'. The scene was quite mundane. The surgery team around the table and the chief surgeon bending over towards the patient (me?) and moving something there. Not more, nothing spectacular. No mind-reading, colours, bliss, clear vision ... all gone. This scene also lasted for a few seconds only.

Then it was over. I was there where I should have been after 'falling asleep', in the wake-up room . I heard a nurse in this room telling me in a loud voice to breathe through my mouth - of course I had to, since the nose was full of stuff (tubes and medical dressing material) from the surgery.

Analysis / Afterthoughts

A few days later, I got to ask the surgeon if there were complications with my operation. His answer was a predictable no. But he almost became a bit tight-lipped and was suddenly pressed for time when I brought forward the topic of my narcosis. I also had heavy and large bruises on my right arm. Asking nurses and the visiting doctor (1 day after the surgery) about this resulted then in statements such as "this can happen" (possibly from those tightened monitor armbands you get put on, so they told me).

Anyway, I don't think I was "really" in danger of losing my life, so it was not a 'real' NDE at all, moreover since I did not experience one of the other usual elements (tunnel to another dimension, life review, meeting with angels, relatives etc.).
However, this marvellous Total-Bliss-Experience indicates to me that it wasn't a "usual AP"-experience either, which I can now in hindsight confirm with some more 'astral experience' gathered in the meantime. I now assume that I could have been in a "higher" spiritual body then. Or probably a guide was with me and giving me this experience of "love" and security, and bliss?

Another assumption regarding the cause: As you stop breathing for yourself, maybe your subconscious or body/cell/atomic consciousness gets aware of the missing vital activity and you feel like you are dying a "little" or "partial death". That is of course just a wild hypothesis to explain what exactly triggered my out-of-body and mystical experience.

I also wonder about the 2nd scene so completely different. Was the surgeon already attendig to another patient and I really was 'remote viewing' this (already from the recovery room)?. Or - if it was me on the table - was this scene taking place even before the other one, as it looked like the first scene was the end of the surgery while the second scene seemed to show a surgery still under way. So probably I just remembered / experienced them in reverse order (and what is time in these experiences anyway? ).

Well, I guess I might have to wait til this lifetime of mine has ended until I receive the final and assured answers to these questions.

Another interesting thing (in hindsight): the anticipation of my "astral portal": the childhood room that only recently became a kind of "leitmotif" for many of my lucadventures (you will see in following adventures that it pops up again and again). Only until I read my notes again recently, I had almost forgotten that it 'featured' already in this first landmark lucidventure.

More to come.
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Announcements: My OBE-Journal & Article: 'The Void'

2/7/2018

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'LuciDiary' Continued Here

With the Avatar Sinera I had an online journal 2011-2016 describing and in part discussing some of my Out-Of-Body-Experiences (OBEs) and related adventures on the Astraldynamics forum of Robert Bruce's website.

I called them 'LucidVentures' and my journal was thus called 'LuciDiary'. I will in part keep up this terminology here.

Some selected entries about these experiences will be copied from there to here under the Category 'LuciDiary' (= lucid diary = OBE / Astral Projection Journal). Also new ones will be added if deemed worthy, especially those who deal with past life regression via Astral Projection, which is a chosen focus or field of interest for me at the moment.


Article 'The Void'

An article about 'The Astral / Akashic' Void will be published soon. It deals with the Void where we have many sources from literature and discussion boards. So there are many perspectives and opinions about it. However it also shows that it is a corroborated and 'real' phenomeon.

I will also try to draw up a kind of 'typology' of Void phenomenons and experiences by trying to categorizing them. The article also contains my own research in and 'conversations' with the Void. It might have several parts published at different dates / blog entries.
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Validations for OBE (English) / Beweise für AKE (Englisch)

4/3/2016

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(Note: this is a copy of a former website I had elsewhere. It's now continued here with updates in the future.)

PictureKa - the Astral Body in ancient Egyptian mysticism and religion
VERIFIED OBEs (Out-Of-Body-Experiences)

This is a collection of verified Out-Of-Body-Experiences. The persons have verified the facts they could not have known afterwards. In many cases the verification and confirmation of observed and remembered facts was also done by other persons who were observed or „visited“ during the OBE.

The first section even contains scientific experiments by scientists in the laboratory. The first experiment was done by a renowned parapsychologist, C.W. Tart, with a woman who is a natural astral projector and recognises a 5-digit number in another room on a shelf. Other lab experiments with induced OBEs are added below, too.

A rather special one is done by a nuclear physicist and consciousness researcher, T. Campbell. It's actually a whole experimental sequence done in altered states of consciousness together with another colleague at the Monroe Institute. It can be read in his book "My Big T.O.E." (which can be read free online by the author's consent), but it is without any scientific paper written on it. The relevant text passage is quoted and there will be a link to a google books site. It is recommended to read the whole chapter (online) to get the picture (or purchase the book, it is worth it!). Campbell's example might also be the only one that contains experiences of 'astral planes' other than the "RTZ" (real time zone) which more or less is an energetic version of our physical 3D environment and therefore facilitates real-time observations that can be verified. The verification, however, consists of two adventurers doing a paired trip out into these non-physical realms and confirming it later to each other.

It should also be noted that in the vast literature on Astral Projection and OBEs, e.g. in Robert Monroe's and Bruce Moen's books (the latter also with a lot of paired trips in the non-physical), you will find a lot more personal validations. Many more of these kinds of experiments with similar paranormal abilities have been done by parapsychologists on Clairvoyance, Postcognition and - last not least - Remote Viewing. Many CIA experiments in the 70ies and also later experiments at the Stanford university yielded highly compelling results.

Furthermore, in Western society many people with experiences do not talk about these things at all (not even in anonymous forums or among friends or family!) due to the societal paradigm which is materialism that declares all spiritual experiences as being 'insane'. Therefore we have to assume much more experiences with validations that we will never know about.

For the more private accounts here, links are given to the original websites (mostly open public discussion boards and forums). If the posts / validations, divided by a o--o each, are not linked each one individually the corresponding link can be found in the example with the first link given, as it was in the same post (by the same person).

A general note: Verifications - like all qualitative consciousness research of 'psychedelic' or altered states of consciousness - are not always easy to do, which makes it a difficult or even almost impossible task to obtain objective proof in scientific experiment set-ups. A good explanation of why this is so in the case of OBEs can be found HERE by astral projection expert Robert Bruce or HERE by astral projection expert Juergen Ziewe.

However, it is possible to get personal validations, as this (still small but growing) collection of online resources will show you. Some cases are stronger some less strong, so this is not about any scientific and 'water-proof' experimentation. Most of this has been done by private persons and thus the accounts are of a more casual and private nature, but compelling and striking nonetheless in many of the cases. Another Page listing a great amount of verified Remote Viewing cases, OBEs during a Near-Death-Experience and verified information retrieved from deceased people during astral projection. Here is just an example page for NDE verifications (one of many).

So let's get started ...

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Scientific Experiment by Psychologist Dr Charles W. Tart:

A "Ms. Z" tested in the laboratory.
"Miss Z awoke and called out that the target number was 25132. This was correct (with the digits in correct order), but I did not say anything to her at this point; I merely indicated that I had written the number down on the record. I then told her she could go back to sleep, but twenty minutes later I awakened her so that she could get ready to go to work. (...) It should be mentioned that Miss Z had expected me to prop the target number up against the wall on the shelf; actually, I had laid it flat on the shelf, which she correctly perceived. (...) Miss Z's correctly calling a five-digit number (P = 10^-5 [i.e., odds of 1 in 100,000]) was the first strong evidence that her OOB experiences contained a parapsychological element."
- Dr Charles W. Tart

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Scientific Experimental Sequence at the Monroe Institute by Nuclear Physicist Thomas Campbell:

"My Big Toe" - Part 1: Awakening, Chapter 10: "But Is It Real?" excerpt from Google-Books
"One of our first experiments was for Dennis and me to take a trip (experience) in the nonphysical together. Our independent descriptions of what we were experiencing should correlate closely if the experience were real and independent of either of us. From the beginning of our training, we had learned to give real-time descriptions of whatever we experienced. A microphone was suspended from the ceiling above each of our heads. What we said was recorded on tape. Dennis and I could not hear each other because we were in separate soundproof chambers.
Dennis and I quickly achieved the appropriate altered state, left our bodies, and met in the nonphysical as planned. It was a long adventure. We went places, saw things, had conversations with each other and with several nonphysical beings we happened to run into the long way.
Bob had let us go a long time before he ended the session and called us back. We pulled off our EEG and GSR electrodes and stumbled out of the darkness into the hallway of the lab.
In the control room, Bob was waiting for us. After a quick exchange, we knew that his would be a good test because we both had experienced many specific interactions. But were they the same interactions? Bob looked at us deadpan. 'So you two think you were together?' he asked, trying to sound disappointed. We looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders.
'Maybe,' Dennis said tentatively, 'at least we perceived meeting each other.'
'Listen to this!' Bob said emphatically. The tapes, rewound as we disconnected electrodes and climbed out of our chambers, began to roll forward. We sat down and listened. The correlation was astonishing. For almost two hours we sat there with our mouths open, hooting and exclaiming, filling in the details for each other. Bob was now grinning. 'Now that tells you something, doesn't it?' he exclaimed beaming. He was every bit as excited as we were.
I was dumbfounded. There was only one good explanation: THIS STUFF WAS REAL! (...)
We repeated that experiment with similar results. It wasn't a phenomenon that depended on the two of us. Nancy Lea and I shared equally astonishing joint experiences. We tried other things as well. We read three and four digit numbers written on a blackboard next to the control room. Somebody would write a random number and we would read it while our bodies lay asleep. Then they would erase it and write another one, and so on and on. We went places - to people's homes - and saw what they were doing, then called them or talked to them the next day to check it out."
- Dr Thomas Campbell (My Big T.O.E.)

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Thomas Hasenberger & Thomas Campbell Interview on their validations and on how to gather evidence

Hasenberger & Campbell - Out-Of-Body Interview
"00:10 Introduction, how did Thomas Hasenberger's interest into out of body experiences come about
06:20 Gathering evidence during out of body experiences to prove them as being real
09:30 Tom Campbell's out of body travels with his 5 year old son
12:55 What impressed Thomas Hasenberger most about MBT so that he decided to translate the book
18:40 When will Part 2 of MBT be available in German?
21:00 Thomas Hasenberger on body sensations in the out of body state, looking for evidence
26:35 Tom Campbell on "clicking out", fear of wrong answers, looking for evidence
35:25 Thomas Hasenberger on healing work to collect evidential data
37:30 Tom Campbell on collective evidential data, dealing with uncertainty
42:20 Contact info for Thomas Hasenberger
43:00 End of interview"

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Scientific Laboratory Experiment by Palmer and Lieberman in the 70ies

Lab Experiments By Scientists Palmer & Lieberman
"During induced OBEs in experimental tests (e.g., Palmer & Lieberman, 1975) subjects have been able to identify remote targets to a statistically significant degree. This might be attributable to the use of ESP, although in a study conducted by one of HJI's students (Smith & Irwin, 1981) a correlation was found between verdicality and independently judged "OBEness"; that is, the more the induced experience ws like a spontaneous OBE the more accurate was the subject's description of a remote target. There is, therefore, some indication that OBEs can be verdical to a degree that mere fantasy could not. Futher research on this point is warranted" (p. 177)."
- Harvey J. Irvin (Introduction To Parapsychology, 2007)

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Experiments done by the 'classic' Astral Projector Sylvan Muldoon:

This is from a foreword of his classic book. There are more detailed examples of verifications in his book. S.M. was a skilled RTZ projector.
"I have often gone into houses, and noted the things - later going there in the physical, and seeing everything exactly as I saw it in the astral."
- Sylvan Muldoon (Projection Of The Astral Body)
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Apparition of an OBEr to another living and awake person :

This is from an article by parapsychologist Hornell Hart about an aparition of a living person doing an OBE to another living person
"On 23 December, 1935, McBride had been concerned during the entire day about his father. He was under the impression that his father might be ill. Shortly after retiring, at about eight o'clock that evening, he felt himself to be floating in the room, in a whitish light which cast no shadows. He said that he was wide awake at the time. After moving upward to a certain height, he felt himself to be turning vertical, and looking downward he saw his physical body lying on the bed.
He then found that he was floating upward through the building. The ceiling and floor failed to stop him. Almost at once he realized that he was moving through the air towards the north, and he seemed to know he was going to his old home several miles away. Passing through the walls of his father's house, he stood at the foot of the bed in which he saw his father reclining. His father's eyes were fixed upon him and he seemed to be surprised, but he did not seem to hear when McBride spoke to him. The knowledge came to McBride that his father was well, whereupon he found himself travelling back to his bedroom. He again saw his own body, still lying on the bed where he had left it. Re-entering his physical self, he was instantly alert, with no feeling of drowsiness. Throughout this excursion, McBride was aware of a presence, which he was unable to identify, but which he subsequently came to regard as a guide.
Upon recovering possession of his physical body, McBride got up, made a light, and wrote down the time and the account of what he had experienced. Two days later, on Christmas Day, 1935, he visited his father, who verified his experience by saying he had seen McBride, just as he had stood at the foot of the bed."

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Early trials done by the 'AP Guru' Robert A. Monroe, as described in his first book, the quote is just from a conclusion of the chapter:

This is from his first classic book. It is a longer chapter. No direct link is possible, but you can enter "on the evidence in the fall of 1964" and it will bring you to chapter 3 describing the thorough and skeptical verification tests he did.
"The incidents may have been simple and unimportant in themselves, but as minute pieces in a mosaic, they were vital. the emerging pattern through the glimpses of the whole was made believable and acceptable to me only through the inclusion of hundreds of such scraps of evidence."
- Robert A. Monroe (Journeys Out Of Body)

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This is Robert Monroe about about verifying retrievals. In retrievals, stuck individuals are helped to move on. During this, sometimes information has been gathered from the retrieved persons that has later been verified.

This is from his third book. No direct link is possible, but you can go to page 251 (and following) of this online document to find the quoted passage about the Lifeline Program.
"Lifeline participants are encouraged to seek as much information as they can from the subjects of their retrievals.
By this are meant personal details, such as name, age, address or state or country of origin, date and cause of death (road accident, illness, natural disaster, warfare, and so on), occupation, and any other details that may seem relevant. Communication is generally nonverbal and often by means of a ROTE —a ball of thought.
Where the information received is sufficiently full, it is passed later to the Lifeline Research Department, which sets a process of verification or validation in motion. In most instances it has not so far proved possible to obtain enough of this kind of information to make the effort worthwhile; this type of formal questioning is often inappropriate to the circumstances of the retrieval. But on a few occasions enough information has become available for secure verification to be made: a person of that name, age, and place died in that manner at that time. For most participants this does not matter; they are so convinced of the reality of the process that they are not concerned about this kind of checking. The Institute, however, feels that it is important for this to happen, although once twenty or thirty instances have been verified there would seem little purpose in looking for more."
- Robert Monroe (Ultimate Journey)

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Two further experiments with hypnotic induction of OBEs:

This is from the book 'The Mystic Sciences' by M. Waite, as uploaded on Script. No direct link is possible, but you can enter "Thomas Garrett" in the search field and it gets you to page 67 where you find these accounts, as quoted here.
"Dr. Thomas Garrett, a therapeutic hypnotist, once had occasion to treat a young man who was in a deeply depressed state over a quarrel with his sweetheart.
Dr. Thomas, after placing the young man in a deep trance, planted the suggestion that he would be able to travel astrally to the young lady's college dorm at Wellesley and find out how she really felt about him.
After a moment of silence, the young man announced that he was in Wellesley and standing outside the girl's door. Dr. Garrett directed him to 'pass right through the closed door,' which he evidently did, because before long he was announcing in considerable elation that he was watching his girl at her desk writing a letter, and the letter was to him.
'What is she saying?' Dr. Garrett asked.
Slowly his patient repeated word for word what the girl was writing in the note; an apology for the cause of their quarrel, and a plea for forgiveness. Dr. Garrett wrote down every word, and when he brought the subject out of trance he gave him a copy of the contents of the letter which he would not actually receive for another day or so.
When the letter came, it was exactly as it had been worded earlier!"
- Margaret Waite (The Mystic Sciences)

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"An even more spectacular case of hypnotic astral projection is related by Long John Nebel in his book, The psychic World Around Us.
Hypnotist John Kolisch brought a 17-year-old youth identified only by the name 'Tommy' to Nebel's apartment and put his subject into a trance.
He then, step by step, described an astral journey which Tommy was to make across the foyer, directly through the closed front door, down the hall to the elevator, into the elevator (again without bothering to wait for the door to open!).
All this while, of course, the entranced Tommy had not budged from the chair where he sat in his trance. But a smile did cross his face, and he filled his lungs with the 'fresh outdoor air' as the hypnotist had directed.
At this point Kolisch turned to Long John and asked if there was any information Tommy could bring back with him as proof that he had made an astral journey.
Nebel on the spur of the moment asked him to find out what kind of car was parked third from the fire hydrant in front of the building. The youth promptly answered that it was a 1959, blue, two-door Studebaker Lark with white vinyl seat covers an AAA bumper sticker, and a license plate number 897468.
Tommy was brought out of the trance at once and remembered nothing of what happened. Long John and Kolisch immediately rushed to the elevator and down the street to check on the evidence.
And there in front, third car from the fire hydrant, was the Studebaker Lark, practically as the boy had described it. He was off one number in the license plate, and the car was more green than blue, a fact that might have been explained by the fact that Tommy was color blind."
- Margaret Waite (The Mystic Sciences)

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Astralpulse Forum / Website

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
"As I always say, the only way a person can “prove” experiences to himself or herself is to gain knowledge of an action that is unconnected with themselves. Physical projection, once mastered, is an excellent opportunity to get some. For example, in one RTZ projection I had fairly recently, I was outside and saw a large van making a delivery to the bakery. I popped back to physical, threw on some clothes, walked down the road to the bakery to check and there was the van. This is just one example but once you have done this kind of thing a few times, residual doubts about your experiences will soon be dispelled."

"One of the useful aspects of F3 exploration is that you contact people, get their details and try to verify that they used to live in the physical world later. I have managed to make a number of verifications of people I met within Focus 3 of consciousness of my Phasing Model."

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/extremely_thrilling_experience_worth_reading-t34491.0.html
„I was taking a nap in a lodge that some friends and I were staying in. I projected and I floated over my friend who was napping in a bed beside mine. I grabbed my friend by the wrist feeling solid matter. I began to pull, hoping I could get him to astral project (bizarre, yes). I saw his spiritual arm coming out of his physical arm. It was yanked out of my hands and shot back into his physical arm. I saw his eyes jump open and he sat up really fast, looking scared. Instantly I was awoken by my friend making noise next to me. I looked over and he was sitting up. I asked him what happened and he said something along the lines of "dude, I just randomly jerked awake because of a falling sensation. My arm is completely numb right now." I was so shocked and excited by what just happened. I no doubt woke up my friend by grabbing his astral body. I didn't tell him what happened, I just pretended to be interested in a different way than i actually was.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg218563#msg218563
"In one of my projections, some years ago, I decided to go to visit my parents' house, which is 15 km far away. It was 10:00 in the morning. I overflew my city, following the way to the hose of my childhood. I could recognize all the details, the highway, the fields...
When I arrived the house and I went into it, I see my mother cooking in the kitchen. I tried to call the attention but she did not react at all, like she couldn't see me.
Later, I went to my sister's bedroom. In that time, she was still living there, but in that moment she should have been working in the office. I checked all was normal in the room. She wasn't there, as I expected. Some thing attracted my attention. There was a paper on the table. I approached to it and I could see it was like a note. I had many problems to read it (like usually reading something out of the body). But at the end I was able to understand what It said: “PRESENT FOR _____ (my real name)”
More things happened, but to summarize I went back to my body and made a decision: I would go physically to my parents' house to check all those things. I did it, what it took twenty minutes, and my mother was there, in the kitchen cooking. I say hi and I went into my sister's room, very thrilled. There was a note on the table, exactly like the one I saw being out of the body, which said: “PRESENT FOR _____ (my real name)”. Then I imagined she was thinking in my birthday, that would be in two weeks. I think it is a perfect validation of an out of the body experience.....“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg215155#msg215155
„When I was a little kid I had OBE experiences all of the time. I used to visit a place called "The Boys Club" for fun in the physical after elementary school.
I was around 8 or 9 years old and had the experience of flying thru the club at night, the lights were off. I took note that the placement of everything ex. "pool tables, ping pong", was completly different than earlier that week. Sure enough a couple days later when I went back there in the physical, everything was exactly as I had seen a few nights earlier!“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg214980#msg214980
„Saw my dad in the yard once and noted his shirt, tried passing my hand through him, couldnt get a reaction, awoke and found him wearing the same shirt and pants.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_girlfriend_saw_me_out_of_body-t36588.0.html;topicseen
„Around 3:30 am on 3/4/12, my girlfriend was awakened after feeling my body go into a state of vibrations. She felt my heart beat racing also. Then she said the vibrations stopped, and she heard me stop breathing without a noticeable heartbeat. She said a few seconds later she saw a white image of me at my bedroom doorway. The she heard me making a knocking sound on the dresser in the bedroom. She then got scared and pulled the covers over her face. She doesn't know anything about out of body experiences or vibrations. She has never had an OBE either.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_girlfriend_saw_me_out_of_body-t36588.0.html;msg310135#msg310135
„On 07/13/12 at 12:30 am, my girlfriend had another experience with me being out of body. I felt myself slip out of body, and I consciously hovered a couple of feet above my body. I did this for two minutes while holding this position. I then entered back into my body and my physical body jolted.
While out of my body, I saw my girlfriend next to me with an expression of awe. When I re-entered my body, she asked me if I was out of body. I said yes. She said she knew because she felt a dense energy on top of her legs that remained there for two minutes. And she saw my physical body jolt shortly after.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_girlfriend_saw_me_out_of_body-t36588.0.html;msg301588#msg301588
„My husband has woken to see me floating next to him, and has felt my vibes also- but I think he was in trance, and was viewing it clairvoyantly.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg330974#msg330974
„I scared my then GF by leaving my body during a nap we were taking in the afternoon. I was able to phase out of my body for what felt like a minute then, I snapped back in. She looked at me with a stunned look on her face when I woke up because she felt a change in the density next to her and also the snapping back into the body. “

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_girlfriend_saw_me_out_of_body-t36588.0.html;msg301594#msg301594
„I noticed when I tapped my grandma many different times she wasn't aware of my presence. But when I entered my body again, I went upstairs to see her in the same clothes and doing the same thing I saw her doing in the astral, and I hadn't seen her all day. It was a fantastic experience. :-) I think that was my validation I was looking for... “

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_girlfriend_saw_me_out_of_body-t36588.0.html;msg310571#msg310571
„my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.
I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.
I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.
All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg215026#msg215026
„The most convining validation I have experienced yet involved my sister, when I was still living at home. I became lucid in a dream, which caused me to wake up. On waking I discovered I was paralysed and experiencing the vibrations. I rolled out, and for some reason, I decided to try and pull my sister out. I went to her room (in my experience the light was on in her room, but in reality it wasn't) and started pulling at her arm. When I finally got her out, I showed her how to float, and helped her float up to the ceiling (we had our heads sticking through into the loft). The experience wasn't much more than this. I returned to body and checked the clock.
Out of curiosity, the morning after this experience I asked my sister if she had any strange dreams. She went a bit weird and didn't want to talk about it. Later that evening, she opened up and told me she woken in the night to see a black 'smoky' figure (see through) leaning over her bed with its hand reaching out towards her, this terrified her. She doesn't recall any of what I did (pulling her out), but the times matched up.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg214951#msg214951
„A few years ago I was living in the south of England whilst my parents lived in their house in Leeds in the north. One Saturday morning I AP'd and decided to pay my parents an "astral" visit. So concentrating on their house in Leeds, I soon found myself outside in the street in front of the house. It was a bright morning. Walking up the garden path I passed through the front door and into the hallway in my parents' house, where I discovered my mother watching in utter surprise as I came in through the front door.
I calmed her down and explained that this was just a kind of "special dream" and she had nothing to worry about. We walked through the living room and into the kitchen where I sat down on a very flimsy wooden "sewing basket", knowing that I couldn't break it. My mother complained, saying I'd break the basket but I reassured her that I was "as light as a feather" and it wouldn't break.
Then I decided to show off, so I started pointing at objects, cups, jars etc, making them fly around the kitchen. My mother was pretty shocked by all of this. At this point I lost consciousness and returned to my physical body.
A little later in the morning I got up, had breakfast, went about my business and by mid-day, curiosity got the better of me so I decided to phone home, just in case anything "unusual" had happened there. My mother answered the phone, sounding agitated, and as soon as she heard my voice said "Thank God! I thought you had died!". It turns out that she had a "dream" which was identical to the OBE I had.
She remembered dreaming that she was standing in the hall when I emerged in front of her by coming in THROUGH the front door. Shocked by this and feeling certain that something was very wrong, she continued to dream the same events that I had experienced - walking through the living room into the kitchen, complaining that I would break the sewing basket and then watching as I made objects fly around the kitchen. My mother recounted the dream without prompting. I didn't guide her in any way.
My mother's dream was identical to my OBE in every respect, and it troubled her so much that she was sure some harm must have come to me and that the dream was some sort of harbinger of bad fortune. She didn't have a contact number for me so when I called she was extremely relieved!“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/critique_of_the_astral_project_now_video-t38469.0.html;msg315372#msg315372
„Regarding checking up on other people, this is quite hard to do. I once did that, tracked down a friend who hadn't contacted me for a while whilst she was travelling in America. I found her and she later confirmed that she was staying where I saw her. But it is difficult to do.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg215223#msg215223
„Ap Friends,
It's been awhile since I've posted my latest validation attempts and tracking. I've been following whole heartdly for the last two years now of my own personal experiences and validations. Your more welcome to view the contents in my web site to listen/read.
I recently conversed with a hard-core skeptic and it was a terrible conversation, to say the least. Purely one tracked minded, not open to the slightest of possibabilities and claimed that NDEs/OBEs were all hullcinations.
It was a good and eye opening experiences because it did give me some good insight on a few things that I needed to add into my FAQs about skeptics. Here it is:
•What are your thoughts about skeptics and their views?
I totally respect the views of skeptics trying to prove that the out of body experience is false memories, hallucinatory, and generated in the brain. It’s always good to be objective towards this field of study. However, we should keep a open mind and not be quick to judge either. Here’s a near death / out of body experience to consider and seriously think about:
Example: How do you explain the near death experience of Pam Reynolds? Under a medical and scientific controlled environment she was able to validate with accuracy during her operation external events outside her body.
During her operation, Pam had no brain activity, no blood, no vital signs for over an hour to remove a tumor. Doctors, Scientists, Skeptics can’t explain this experience but only try to theorize.
So how would a skeptic go about theorizing when experts in the medical / scientific fields can't.
Anyways, as I tracked my own personal success with obe's, I've come to one conclusion that if any skeptic asks "prove it to me". Why should I prove something that I've proved to myself and done the work.
Here are the journal entries on my web site if those who are interested in validations.
1 07/14/05 Thursday 3:45 AM 3:52 AM 10:30 AM 10:37 AM 2 Of Hearts King of Diamonds/8 of Hearts Jack Of Diamonds Couldn't Remember 416 to 1 - Validation 07-14-2005 - Card Verification #1 - Conscoious & False Awakening Projection.mp3“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg218447#msg218447
„dream: I get lucid and focus on B (my friend). After a few moments I arrive near a large pond behind a house. B is sitting their tossing rocks in to the water. I call to her and tell her its me. She sees me and calls my name as she stands up, but then disappears.
waking: I email B in the morning to see if she remembers seeing me last night. She writes back that she remembers being near water and I approached her. She got excited when she realized I was their and she was getting lucid and immediately she woke up.

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dream: I draw the outline to a door in mid-air and write B's name on the door. Then I open the door and enter a bedroom. I see B asleep on the bed and her husband at the foot of the bed getting dressed for work. I jump on the bed and bounce hard telling her to wake up. She wakes up, but appears sleepy. I tell her she's dreaming and she needs to wake up because I want to take her flying. She nods ok and I take her hand. I rise up in the air with her. But I lose her when I go through the ceiling.
waking: In the morning I email B that I tried to visit her in her bedroom last night. She wrote back that she dreamt of me in her bedroom. She said I kept jumping up and down on the bed all excited. She remembered holding hands and floating up. But then she ended up on top of a mountain with her brother.

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dream: I visit B to find her in a large house having a tea party (totally out of character for her by the way). I'm watching, confused as she is dressed in pink and everyone else is a woman and all are wearing dresses and carrying tea cups. She comes up to me to pour me some tea. I explain that she's dream and to wake up. But she is totally absorbed in the tea party and ignores me. She seems completely out of it.
waking: I call B in the morning because the dream was so strange. She answers sounding horrible. She's had a bad head cold and her husband has been bringing her tea every hour to drink.

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dream: I get lucid and decide to visit my sister L. I find her in a huge building. There are large open hallways almost like a mall, but bigger and lots of other people are there too. I look and finally see L standing nearby. I call to her, but she looks scared and starts running away. I'm confused and run after her, weaving in and out of people until I lose her in a crowd.
waking: call L to see if she remembered me in a dream last night. She said no, but she did remember a scary dream. She was in the Mall of America and someone was chasing her through it.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg218096#msg218096
„User: Mendel « Reply #94 on: March 25, 2007, 00:54:41 »
I didn't make it to your room in my projection last night, but I was thinking about your experiment and noticed a light blue object on my brother's dresser. It had five connected vertical open cylinders and little symbols of animals on it. It almost seem to sparkle as though it were made from glass.
User: Nay « Reply #98 on: April 02, 2007, 15:35:00 »
Oh and btw the object on my desk was a plastic easter cup, filled with pens and pencils.
User: Nay « Reply #105 on: April 10, 2007, 13:20:47 »
Hi Mike!
I can't believe I failed to see your post, I'm sooooo sorry! I went back to see what you said and what is absolutely crazy is, I have never mentioned that there are some little bunnies on the cup and you mention animal prints!!
Looks like we got a winner! Very impressive Mike!“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg221021#msg221021
„I have a silly story of what I thought would be validation:
2 nights ago I had and conscious-exit OBE and wandered around my house. I was so sure that I had was fully focused in the RTZ - I've been in my new house a few months now and everything was exactly as it was before my OBE attempt that night. It was all very solid, everything being in place. Then I noticed a crack in one of my new blinds. I inspected it and was sure this would be my validation. I made a note of which set of blinds and the area it was cracked.
So the next morning I get up and check, and the blinds are fine. I was positive it would be cracked. I checked all the blinds in the house, but nothing. Oh well.
and TVOS told me this:
Quote TVOS:
That would have been cool to see that the blinds were indeed cracked. Maybe this was a future event that you saw? If I were you, keep a tab on the blinds, maybe if you can remember draw to paper what the crack looked like. When the time does come when the blinds do indeed crack, compare the two. Something to think about!
Well, a few days ago I was grilling, sippin a few brews, and a fly got in the house. I'm pretty good at snapping them with a dish cloth, so I follow it over the the window and SNAP - got the fly AND the edge of the blind, cracking it EXACTLY as I saw it before. As soon as it happened I remembered seeing it broken in my OBE.
Seeing as how I was the one with the premonition and the one who broke it, and I've never had anything like this happen before, I don't necessarily call it a validation. I may have unconsciously broke it (with unnatural extreme precision that matches the experience perfect) to make my prophesy come true.
But I can throw it into my x-files evidence cabinet for future reference.
Thanks to TVOS or I would have probably forgotten the OBE and never made a connection to a future event.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg237186#msg237186
„A friend of mine seems to be a natural AP'er. I told her to project and then think of me to project to me. She said she could see that i was making motions like i was clicking the mouse on a computer, but I was the only thing in the room that she could see. She also said that it looked like I was touching my face with my left hand. At the time of the projection, I was on the computer, using the mouse with my right hand, and biting the nails on my left hand.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg309536#msg309536
"I finally did a direct validation!!!! I didn't use playing cards but used random numbers I had written on pieces of paper. Since projection was difficult I cheated and just asked my guide and she showed me the number"

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_with_card_verification-t43831.0.html;topicseen
1/3/14
OBE #57 RTZ, WBTB, Phase method
    Before going to sleep last night I had a great feeling that I was going to have an OBE this morning. I went to sleep and woke up around 10am not remembering that I had that feeling last night. I called my cat to come lay on my bed and cuddle, but she didn't come over and I was experiencing a feeling of drowsiness so I decided to lay back down and close my eyes. Within a few minutes I was seeing some vague imagery behind my closed eyes. I stretched my arms out and I rolled my body over to the left, but something felt different. It was heavy and slow motion and I was still looking at the blackness behind my closed eyes, but I thought I had moved physically. Next thing I know I'm staring at my ceiling about a foot away from it. My vision went back to blackness and I realized I was obe and I didn't want the experience to end so I started to imagine I was walking down my hallway and feeling the walls with both my hands as I did. I grabbed onto the cool, metal, railing as I walked past the stair case. Once I got to my living room I slowly opened my NPMR eyes and had great vision of where I was standing and now fully phased in that reality.
    I did a few awareness boosters by looking at my hands and telling myself I was OBE in the nonphysical. I remembered I wanted to check the card that I placed on a shelf in the living room so I walked over to it and reached up and grabbed the card. The first card I saw was a black 4 of spades. I noticed I was holding about 3 or 4 cards so I placed them back on the shelf and then tried to only grab one. I grabbed about 3 or 4 again, but the card on top was a black 4 of spades again. I thought that was good enough so I put the cards down and proceeded with the rest of my OBE.
    When I woke up I went to the living room and reached on top of the shelf. I didn't feel a card so I took a look and there was no card there. The shelf looked like it was recently dusted off so I thought maybe one of my parents found it and moved the card. I was a little disappointed and I don't actually remember how long ago I placed the card there. I decided I would count the cards from the deck and whichever one was missing maybe that would be the card. I grabbed the deck of cards and flipped it over to see the faces and first one on top was the black 4 of spades.
     It's not the best verification, but I think it speaks for itself that there was some level of verification there. I know I probably shouldn't be focusing on trying to prove the existence of the NPMR this way, but I find it a fun experiment to play with.

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg242194#msg242194
„I've had several validations. But the most validating was the one in which my ex showed up in my OBE. He has these experiences also, only his are more progressed. He told me he was going to come and join me sometime. And he did! A few days after he appeared in my OBE, my ex came over to my house and asked me if I had seen him. I told him, "I knew that shadowy figure on the stairs was you!" I had recognized his silhouette----especially that of his hair!My ex even told me that at one time when I flew past him that my and his heads had collided.This had happened when I decided to fly through him instead of past him the second time around.I flew through him from his neck up. This is when he and I collided heads!"

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„Another time my ex came over, and as he and I stood outside talking, he nodded toward the direction underneath my upstairs bedroom window and asked me if, a few days earlier, I had traveled out my bedroom window just underneath the spot where he had motioned his head. Again, I was excited but not shocked to learn that he had seen me. I told him I had done that very thing because I wanted to scare the neighbor's dog that was always barking and annoying me.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg225194#msg225194
„One in particular experience that I could call validation of an astral experience was when I was attending high school. I had left my body and found my conscious awareness at the top of some trees. It was night time and I saw a fire burning below. I could see a definite red glow and smoke was billowing up through the air. Below I saw firemen scurrying about working on putting out the fire. The next day I relayed this experience to my close friend from high school. He was astonished at what I told him and he then told me that there had been a fire at a school mates trailer that night. He said that himself and other volunteer firefighters were there that night, and the scene was very similar to what I had relayed to him.
One other time was when I wanted to visit this same friend at night during an astral travel. I remember hovering over his bed, but him just seeming to sleep, not responding. The next day I told him what I did. He said "that was you!!! Don't do that again, you scared the cr*p out of me, I thought you were a ghost!!!"
He he, I didn't bother him or anyone after that.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg225885#msg225885
„I saw my dog trying to jump up on a chair of the kitchen table which I’ve never seen him do before. I went upstairs right after the experience ended and he had actually gotten up on the same chair and was trying to get at a bowl and this is the only time that he had ever done something like that with the kitchen table chairs.“

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„I traveled into my son's room and briefly watched as he sat at the computer and watched YouTube videos. Later, I asked him if he had been watching wrestling videos on YouTube. He said he had been watching UFC videos on YouTube. In my book, the same thing! He must have thought I meant WWE and was specific that it was in fact UFC. I asked him if it had been wrestling cause I just knew it had been two guys squaring off in a ring.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/bruce_moens_afterlife_knowledge_guidebook_opinions-t36071.0.html;msg298875#msg298875
„ I still remember the first time I received a specific set of information from a deceased person that I could not otherwise have known.  It was a vase with a very specific color and floral pattern.  I reported this to the deceased person's daughter and she confirmed that it was something very special to her mother.  I still get goosebumps thinking about it.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/hearing_a_conversation_that_occurred_miles_away-t37411.0.html;msg306826#msg306826
„I once heard my father's voice. He was having a conversation, but I could only hear his side of it. It was like listening to him talk to someone on the telephone. He was talking about me. His voice came from the left, was faint, grew loud (like he was in the room with me), then faded away toward my right. After the OBE was over, I called him to ask about this conversation. As I said, it had been about me (and had been slightly critical). I was able to recount word-for-word what he'd said. He verified that he'd had that conversation with my stepmother as they'd been driving on the highway past my house, (though that highway is MILES away). This (I think) accounts for the left to right fading phenomenon I experienced. It really impressed my skeptical father. It impressed me too. “

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg300582#msg300582
(actually, it's 1 post before the one that comes up as this direct link does not work)
„It was the evening of the 19th of December 2003. I was at home for Christmas, out in my room (in the garage...really quiet and perfect for meditation/OBE practise). Left the body after only about five minutes, rolling out and standing up. Great clarity. Walked through the wall (concrete/glass sensations) and out into the yard.
I realised immediately that I wasn't alone. On my travels I'd interacted with a few individuals (including a small asian man waiting at the end of my driveway on my very first outing, who told me to relax and slow down!) but this guy seemed different--he was waiting for me, this was no chance encounter. He was a thin man, dark hair, perched on the fence wearing a crimson satin (or at least shiny) suit. "Follow me," he signalled, and flew directly up.
I was never a great flier, but I could keep pace with him ok. We went about a mile up, I would guess. I can still see it now--the vivid silhouette of the river that runs through my city, surrounded on both sides by orange streetlights. "Follow me," he signalled again, but this time he moved in a new direction--one I'd never moved through before. By some instinct, or maybe just because I was near this guy, I was able to move through time.
I didn't know it was 'time' at first. It felt like I was moving through rubber walls of increasing density, each taking greater and greater effort to push through. I was always just behind the guy in the suit. It quickly became impossible to go any further--we fell back into 'normal space' and we were in the same spot, more or less.
There was text hanging in the air in front of me. Text! White block capitals that read, "TUESDAY 23RD DECEMBER. I'd never seen anything quite like that.
He grinned at me. "Follow me," he said, reaching out his hand. I gripped it and we insta-travelled to a new location (another first--I was never very good at that either, but this was a quick and precise cut from one location to another.
We were in the air about fifty feet above a ruined street. It was night, lit by the headlights of fire engines and rescue vehicles. The street was blocked, strewn with rubble. Buildings had collapsed and spilled over the street. It was a dry, mountainous area. Low scrubby bushes. I spent about thirty seconds in the air, just drifting, and then the guy turned and disappeared. I remember asking him what I was seeing--asking for a location, asking who he was and why exactly he had brought me to this place--but he wasn't the talkative sort.
After flying towards the horizon I quickly just skipped back to my body. I swung out of bed, ran to the computer and wrote everything down. "A prophecy!" I called it, as a joke. I started to doubt it. "Must have slipped into a dream state halfway through," I wrote. "The 23rd isn't a Tuesday". But then I checked the calendar...and it was.
The experience had been so intense I emailed a couple of friends who knew about my adventures as a psychonaut. "So look out for an earthquake on the 23rd," I said--just to have some proof, if it did 'come true'. I recorded everything I'd seen. I honestly didn't believe it would pan out; it seemed ridiculous. It IS ridiculous!
All the same, four days later, I was watching the BBC news at 7am, and they led with news of an earthquake in California. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_San_Simeon_earthquake If I had seen it on the 23rd, I'd seen it at night, the rescue effort after the event. There it was--the same destruction, the same date. I was blown away. Very nearly dropped my cornflakes!
The elation quickly turned to pure existential terror as all of my fun 'flying about' was suddenly REAL. I was no longer able to write it off as bouncing around in some hyper-simulation of my own creation (something I found amazing enough by itself...) It was not only real, it was important. Facts could be retrieved. Individuals met. Wild stuff. And because of all that, I think, I found I could no longer do it (until now.)
That was my verification, anyway. Don't believe me. If you're reading this, maybe you're seeking verification before you have ever had an 'outing' of your own...if you're in that situation, forget about 'real' and 'unreal'...the experience is real, and amazing, and waiting for you to grasp it. Verification might come later. If you've already done some of these things--especially visual text-based information or 'time travel'...I'd love to hear about it. I guess I'll have a look around the forum!“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg298953#msg298953
„I've had a number of validations,but I'll post one that had a really deep impact on me.It's on page 39 "Jeff,September 17,2008"  I forgot to mention in the submission that the man's hair was really white in waking reality too,but he used to dye it. http://dreaminglucid.com/issues/LDE51.pdf.“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_with_sister_and_synchronization-t43204.0.html;msg337014#msg337014
„This OBE was an interesting one because of the aftermath, and you will see what I am talking about at the end.
During a regular dream where I was at my childhood home with my sister. I realized that I was dreaming and from that point on I took control and it became an OBE. I told my sister with an exciting tone of voice "We are out of our bodies right now. I'll show you" and then I asked mentally my deceased grandfather to show up. Next moment he is walking through the door of the living room. He was smiling and my sister was looking in shock. Then I called mentally my father who's death my sister suffered greatly. He too walked in the door and at that moment my sister gave a cry and jumped into his arms. After that I told her "Now, we are going to go back in time and experience one of our Christmases when we were kids". I grabbed her hand so we can "teleport" together and I don't loose her and few seconds later we were in the same room, but this time was all decorated for Christmas and on the table there were all kinds of food. The emotions were unbelievable. I cant even start to describe. After that I said to her "Now do you want to fly around, because we can". She hesitated and I sensed that she was a little afraid, so I said "Don't worry, we are going to fly with a car, so you can feel safer". We went outside and infront of our house was parked a blue convertible (I don't know what brand) car. We jumped inside, I gave a command and the car raised into the air. I said to myself "I want to go to a big city at night time". Instantly we are flying over a city with tall sky scrapers with millions of lights. It was breathtaking.
At that time I woke up slightly vibrating from the experience, looked at the clock and realized that my sister was awake at that time on the other side of the globe and probably at work. So, I thought that I was going to wait and see if she will mention anything possible a feeling, a thought, etc related to our AP together. So one day later she sends me an email that she had an amazing dream involving seeing our father and her hugging him. Also she mentioned me and her sitting at a table eating lots of food.
So, the conclusion: Even though she experienced a similar event with me and our father was at a different physical time than my OBE. However, I think both experienced even being apart by physical time indication happened at the same "time" in the astral. Only, because she was awake during my OBE where I made her aware, she experienced it first thing after her physical senses shut down during sleep and she was able to perceive the experience. Does that make sense? At least this is how I interpret it. When I received her email about her dream, I was like, OMG I was waiting for this, and I told her the whole experience. She said she had the same feelings especially because she misses father so much and she felt shocked that she was actually seeing him and hugging him. She said that when she woke up she was laying on her back and she felt slight inner shaking upon awaking. So, I told her that she was OBEing, but because she does not train she could not gain control and perceived it as a very vivid dream. I am still smiling thinking about this experience. Priceless!!!!!“

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg338517#msg338517
"2nd OBE - Teen years
Validation? Sleeping position of people in the next room .
Fell asleep listening to hemi-sync with headphones on. awoke half an hour later, while separating from the body. Couldn't see anything so i put my feet on the ground beside the bed. rubbed my eyes and everything became clear. there was an entity resembling the cat ghost boy from the grudge. he stared at me and i stared back. at that point my body floated up, stomach facing the ceiling back facing the ground as i floated towards the bedroom beside mine. at that point my body became a little more loose and stood suspended in the air. the was a light past the corner of the room, but just this little area was lit up. i took note of the positions they were sleeping in and jumped back into my body at that point. went into the bedroom 1 person was in the same position as i saw in the astral ( a very awkward sprawled out one at that) while the other one was slightly shifted from laying on their back, to laying on their side.
so i guess you can say it half worked. lol  or perhaps one of the people shifted in the 10-20 seconds it took to get to their room."

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg338825#msg338825
Here's a personal experience of mine that resulted in a validation:
I think it was in the summer of 2009 and I was on an extended trip to Ireland, accompanied by both of my parents.  During this time I had been reading a book by William Buehlman, and practicing some of his techniques.  Staying at an old B&B, I managed to induce an OOBE in the early mornings, doing a 'roll-out' technique and exiting into a non-physical version of the room i had been staying in.  I soon flew outside, exploring the hilly countryside that resembled that of that of the physical, complete with the same memorable lake (but with pterodactyl-like creatures flying over the hills).  Then, I got the idea of visiting my parents; went to their room, where I only stayed a bit before deciding to enter their dreams, where I personally fell back into a dream-like mind-state and experienced various interesting scenes.
The next morning, my mother mentions to me in the car that she felt like she saw me in the room in the middle of the night.  (not physically, since we were on opposite ends of the lodge and their door was locked).  

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Sinera-s-Lucidiary&p=120384#post120384
„I get vibrations and am in my 'astral bed' experiencing blindness again. I immediately shout out to my helper(s) to be shown the card I had put 'blind' on a shelf two days ago in front of a little nightlight (for night view should I do the unlikely case of a "real" RTZ projection).
First I remain in darkness, maybe holding a helpers hand or not (don't remember exactly) as I do usually when communicating with my helpers and do not see anything.
I shout again "The card! Show me the card!" Then I see a card approaching me from far away. The background is still black. There is just this little card, still far away, a little to the right (Btw, it's also to the right in my physical room). I zoom in on it so it gets nearer. I recognise it and shout it out as an aid for memorising it: "It's a Nine Of Spades!". Then ask for confirmation: "Yes?". A guide answers telepathically (no in-ear-voice this time) "yes".
Then vision comes on and I am in my "lightportal" (for those who don't remember my previous entries: it's the name I gave to my childhood bedroom into which I phase quite often, sometimes almost automatically) and the same card is on a shelf next to the bed there visible for me.
The guide who answered is a woman. But if I remember correctly it is not Katja (see last post above) this time. I don't know or remember her. I look at the card again and it still is the Nine Of Spades. Then however I seem to lose focus and lucidity. It starts to fluctuate and the black Spades turn also into black Crosses/Clubs, the number unchanged. So it might also have been a Nine Of Clubs. The lack of lucidity also leads me then to defocus from the card validation and engage in a kind of semi-sexual encounter with the guide. But it seems to lead to nowhere and I wake up.
Being annoyed at my loss of lucidity and (again) indulgence in my astral sexual urge I expected a failure for the card validation. I did not look up the card immediately but went to sleep after I wrote the result on a piece of paper in case I should forget which card I saw. This morning, I went to the shelf and turned the stack around: Shock! A Nine Of Spades!
This is the picture I took this morning. I know this does not prove anything to anyone (except me), it is just a little act of celebration and remembrance of this success for me.
It shows what I noted on paper that night and the turned around stack in its box with the 'astrally remote viewed' card on top: "pik 9" means "Nine of Spades". I also noted down the second "unsure" card which is "kreuz 9" (Nine of Clubs), but the call I made for this attempt was the first and "stable" one, of course:
http://s14.directupload.net/images/130417/e57qic8k.jpg - I did it !!!“

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?10141-Reality-of-OOBE-Just-in-the-brain-or-objective&p=84864#post84864
„The first one is literally the first one I identified as an OBE:
I was around 8 or 9. I remember thinking I was too old to have a babysitter,and was mad my parents were going to a party at a neighbor's house, where my aunt was also invited, and who I adored. My older neighbor M. was the babysitter. We read comic books I was not allowed to read usually, and at least felt vindicated for that. So we finally went to sleep. I awoke as I floated away from the bed- and found myself on the main hallway of the house. I then floated through the wall and it was the most amazing feeling. I could feel the concrete wall- all the little pebbles in the concrete and the iron parts of it. I even felt how it tasted, in an amazing way. I found myself floating outside, and seeing the roofs of the houses. I then floated down to the house where the party was, and I entered through the roof. There I could see the party, I could see my parents and my aunt, who was wearing a beautiful dress. I tried to float to her and talk, but she didn't see me. At some point I realized no one could see me and this made me upset.
The next morning I told my mom what I saw, and she got really angry thinking I had somehow snuck out of the house. When I described how I got there, she seemed spooked, as I had correctly described how my aunt was dressed and what the other people I knew were wearing.
When she verified with the babysitter that I in fact went to bed when I was supposed to and didn't leave, my mom then realized something else was going on and read about OBEs in general. I was 'this close' to getting grounded, and I realized that you can get out of your body and do stuff like fly to other people's houses and this kind of thing. Later on, when I was around twelve, she let me read a book she had found that was about APs. I believe this was one of the theosophy books that described experiences that happened to other people, but didn't really explain why this happened or how to induce it.“

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„The second verification I can think of was when I was freshly married- My hubby and I had just moved to our first house and he had a new job (I wasn't working full time yet, IIRC). He had gone to work and I was either sick or something else- what I remember is that I laid down to take a nap, and found myself flying around the beach area. I found myself in a white room, and I could see my husband sitting on a bench with a large box (looked like a giant tackle box) with really shiny metallic pins. He had a pair of tweezers and was rooting through the shiny objects, and putting some of them on a table. When I figured I probably was at his work I kind of snapped out of it. So I woke up and looked for his phone number and called him at work, and asked him what he was doing.
He verified that someone had broken into this store he was working at, (it was a rental store) and his boss was going to change the locks, and he had the equipment (his dad used to be a locksmith, so he knew how to do this stuff) and was doing the work in-house. This surprised me because that wasn't his job (so I had no expectation of what he should be doing) and at the time I had no idea that he knew how to do this stuff or how it was done. This was the second 'real' verification on what I now know was either a fast RTZ trip or a Remote Viewing episode.“

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„The third verification happened when my son was a toddler. We had been doing some home gardening and had put some seeds in some peat pots, covered them with bags and put them on the top of the fridge for sprouting.
About a week after doing this, I was sleeping, when I woke up with exit sensations. I floated away from my body (at the time I didn't know about techniques, so I just sat up and floated) and found myself in the kitchen. I was attracted to this beautiful glow in the corner, so I floated towards it. It was up in the top of the fridge- a beautiful green glow, and when I floated up I could see little tiny two-leaved plants. The baby plants! And they were amazing- they had this green glow that shone up the kitchen. The next morning I ran to the kitchen, took the pots down and got them off the bags- and there they were, the little teeny plants I had seen the night before. We planted them the next day and enjoyed tomatoes for around a year.“

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?10328-OBEs-with-the-Body-Awake&p=84203#post84203
„as a kid I found myself in my grandmother's room, floating over her. I hadn't been in there physically and didn't know she had dolls but she did“

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„Later we were going to Melbourne to stay with friends. I projected to the airport, where I'd never been. When we went there within the next few days it was familiar and I would announce to my sister what we'd see next.
A party across the road a few years ago disturbed my sleep and caused me to project out of body and across the road. There were a lot of inebriated people and I told them to turn the music down. Shortly after, someone did turn it down. They were evicted a few months later and my friend wanted to check out the house that was for sale. The room I entered OB was as I'd seen it.“

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"Another time I was just out on an recently finished but unopened bypass that we'd walked on earlier that day. As with the other experiences, there was no preliminary dreaming, I was just there and fully aware. It was a very brief OBE.“


http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?10672-What-was-your-personal-proof&p=90806#post90806
„Personal proof? Many years of OBEs, lucid dreams and learning slowly to trust my intuition. Objective proof? During one OBE, as I came back through the roof of my apartment I saw my wife and self asleep in the bed. At that moment, my wife awoke, looked up and screamed. I reached down and touched her face before integrating in my physical body and woke up. My wife turned to me and said "I just saw a ghost come through the ceiling. It touched me and I knew it was you“

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?15694-Interactions-with-other-OBEers-during-mutual-OBEs&p=118359#post118359
„I've met many astral projectors here (I can think of three at least, maybe four) but none were planned. We just saw each other in projection or dreamspace, and later verified it was really each other."

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12007-Night-Walker-s-Journal&p=97733#post97733
"This happened over 20 years ago when I was a teenager.
I was living with my boyfriend and one morning whilst he was at work, I was sleeping in late. Whilst asleep I dreamt (which is what I thought it was for years, but now know it was a projection) that I was in the air (I don't remember flying, I was just there) above him, his two workmates and his boss, all sitting on the tractor. Two of them were on those metal things over the big wheels (one being my bf) and one in the seat. They were all chowing down on lamingtons. I remember they were pink with cream oozing out.
Later that day when my boyfriend had finished work I told him about my dream (which he was used to) but his mouth fell open :shock: He told me their boss had brought them lamingtons for morning tea."

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12435-dream-or-obe&p=100701#post100701
"Went to the dining room where the card had been placed on the top of a high clock but could,nt see the face of the card. There seemed to be paper on top of it.
I must of gone to sleep and the next morning my mind was trying to work out what went wrong.Has everything I,ve experienced just been my imagination??
If I was to guess what card was there what would it be? JACK OF SPADES came twice, but I put this to playing with my imagination. Next day I couldn,t resist it. I climbed on a chair . There was no paper on top of the card. Just the card. JACK OF SPADES."

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?17804-I-m-conducting-a-personal-Astral-Projection-experiment-and-looking-for-people-to-help&p=132686#post132686
"I've visited people I knew and reported back what they were doing and they were able to verify I was correct."

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http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12867-My-experiences-in-Sedona&p=103908#post103908
"(...) I ended up at home in my country and saw my sister. (...) Then I was telling her that we were out in the astral and to convince her, I grabbed her waist and we both flew few feet off the ground. Then I told her, “now, you try flying by yourself” and she flew off and disappeared in the sky.
After that I was walking by myself somewhere and I was thinking about my physical body, but I didn’t seem to loose control and snap back. So I thought about it and I thought about it and I said to my self that I must be dead, since I am not returning. But for some reason that thought did not bother me at all. In fact I felt liberated somehow. Eventually I woke up! (...)
And here is something that I have not come across during my OBE life. The next day I was talking to my sister and as I was telling her that in my OBE I found her, she interrupted me and started telling me that during my exact time of OBE, she was taking an afternoon nap (time difference) and she was dreaming that she was flying. (OMG, that was the first time another person involved in my OBEs have recalled an exact experience. Truly amazing.) Then I continued telling her that in fact I was showing her how to fly and sent her off on her own. She could not believe it!!!!!"

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Multidimensional Man Website:

http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Mechanics_of_Out-of-body_travel.html
"I conducted the following test with my brother who lived 800 miles away: “It is worth pointing out that while getting more confident I sought ways of confirming the reality of these experiences. To do this I asked my brother in Germany to pin a word on his wall, which I would read when projecting to the house next time and then confirm it via phone. A few nights went buy and then I succeeded in leaving my body.
As I projected into his room I was confused by the large number of notices stuck to his wall. I couldn’t focus clearly on many of them, but one stood out and it read: “4 o’clock, Thursday, take car to MOT”.
I phoned my brother the following day and he told that he had only pinned one word to the wall and it read simply “love”. However, he told me that he had a note in his diary to have his car checked in for an MOT that following Thursday, at 4 o’clock.”
Although the locality may look very familiar it will almost certainly differ from its physical location. The content of the minds of people are often displayed in the environment (such as my brother’s notes in his diary and in his head were “physically” pinned to the wall). People’s ideas of changing the decor of the house, whether consciously or unconsciously, are often already a reality on the next dimensional level."

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OBERF (Out-Of-Body Research Foundation - www.oberf.org):

http://www.oberf.org/david_w%27s_obe.htm
"OBE Journal (Validation)
 
I started tracking validations, coincidences, and synchronicities since July 14, 2005 based on my out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Here are the results as of October 23, 2007—broken down into three categories:
Classification Type
Classification Type

Validation
26

Synchronicity
14

Coincidence
16

Total
56
This is not the first time that I have had an out-of-body experience, which validates physical and spiritual correlation. In this particular experience there is no question or doubt that can be argued as “coincidence”. With careful precision of video and audio recording, there is honesty and allowing the experience to naturally occur. My detailed accounts are hard to ignore or suggest that it’s a brain fabrication of just lucky odds.
Many people that I communicate with about the research of OBEs ask if our consciousness survives physical death. I find that we try to put the scientific “prove it to me” hat on and ask for proof, when the skeptic should be proving it for one's self. Being open with a sincere heart and doing the work one's self is the key to success that will unlock that question. I have invested over twenty years to this research and state with confidence we will survive physical death."
(this page goes on with lots of examples and validations and is worth reading)

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http://www.oberf.org/sara_obe.htm
„I could fly over London, or be in a Maxfield Parish painting. It was as real as I am sitting here right now.  Fun, amazing, and life changing. One time ,one of my first times, I went to a place that my friends were at to find out if this was real or just my imagination. I was able to fly there, and they were there and I saw what my friend was wearing and the next day I asked what she was wearing and it was true. I absolutely was floored…“

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http://www.oberf.org/william_sr%27s_obes.htm
"This is the second of three similar experiences.  In this one, I had brought my girlfriend home from college for the Christmas holidays to her parent's home in the mountains.  It was snowing heavily.  After dinner, it appeared that I would not be able to get home due to the heavy snowfall.  So, her father said I could stay the night but since there were only two bedrooms, I would have to sleep on the couch.  I asked if they had a sleeping bag and said I would like to sleep on the floor in front of the fireplace.  The parents and my girlfriend and her sister went to bed.  I unrolled the sleeping bag and as I did so and was crawling in, I soaked in the beauty of the fireplace and the big white snowflakes floating down outside the picture window.
I thought I wish my girlfriend was out here with me.  I heard a voice say "why don't you go and ask her?"   I said, "why don't you, they can't see you."  As I got more and more relaxed, I noticed or felt there was a light on in the hallway and some talking.  I disregarded it thinking it was just someone going into the bathroom or something minor.  Then, I heard the father say something, like "I'm not afraid of him.  I am going to tell him to go home.  I felt a whoosh of a yellow light into my head.  A few seconds later, the father pretended he was looking for his boots and grabbed my head.  I said that was me.  He said to go home.  I said I can't because of the snow.  He said to stay out here.  I said I would be right here.
The next day at breakfast, I got some strange looks from anger or disgust from her parents, to a look of awe from my girlfriend's little sister.
Later, after I got my girlfriend's jeep started by rolling it down a hill and popping the clutch, she said, "how did you do that?"  I started to explain what I just did.  But she interrupted and said, "no, I meant last night."  I said I thought I knew what she was talking about, but what did she see?  She said I was a yellow light.  I asked if I hurt anyone.  She said no, just scared her parents.  I asked what I did.  She said, first I went to her parents room and then came to the door of her room. I asked if her sister saw me too.  She said yes, they both sat up in bed.  I asked what happened next.  She said, I beckoned her to come with me with my hand.  And then, she said her father got up, and my light went back down the hall."

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http://www.oberf.org/fay_a_obe.htm
„In 1989 my family and I migrated from Italy to Canada. In 1993 my parents gave me as a sweet 16th birthday present a ticket for the summer to my home town of Perugia, Italy.
Approx. 2 weeks before my departure I had a dream. I found myself in front of my childhood friend's door. I found it peculiar to be there but in the dream I told myself 'it's just a dream'. I knocked and after a while my best friend came to the door and looked around but didn't see me standing there and as she was closing the door I sneaked inside.
As I stood inside their foyer and while trying to get their attention these are the things I saw:  first of all it seemed like it was lunch time, all the women of the house were running around trying to set the table, and coming in and out of the kitchen.  Why do I say it was lunch time? Because out of own curiosity of the time of day I looked outside toward their balcony and the sun was shining.
Then I turned my attention to the house.  They had renovated the house.  Where there used to be once upon a time my friend's sisters' bedroom was now the kitchen. Beside the kitchen was the new bathroom with granite like tiles from head to toe. And to my left their dining room was still the same but they had changed the arrangement of the dining room table and the TV.  As I kept on trying to get their attention and calling out for them I started walking toward the end of the foyer and I opened the door to what used to be their living room which was now my friend's bedroom. And further down the hallway the old bathroom was no longer there and her parent's bedroom had not changed.
After again trying without avail to get their attention I finally woke up from my dream.
My first feeling was that it was a dream warning me not to expect much, and I actually tried to convince my parents to cancel my ticket for fear of rejection from my friends.  But I'm so glad I went for that trip.  I'm so glad to have had such a beautiful experience because when I actually went physically to my friend's house I saw all that I saw in my 'dream'.  All the changes in their house, their cooking and eating routines and also the absence of their family pets made me realize it wasn't just a dream, I think literally travelled there in spirit.“

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http://www.oberf.org/tia_p_obe.htm
„On January 18, 1998 it was a Sunday, ( I remember because I kept a article of the event) That night I remember going to sleep and suddenly it felt like I was flying by my neighborhood above and watching a scenario happen. In OBE there was a boy I went to middle school with, I remember seeing him walk through this parkway towards the mall I lived generously close to. And it felt like I was following him above and sometimes along side. It kind of felt like I was there watching from above floating kind of. Than all of a sudden I saw a blue ford-like pickup truck driving through the park also, than I saw a blurred glimpse of a white male with a baseball cap, he pulled a rifle out of the window and shot the boy in the back. it was so detailed. I immediately got freaked out and wanted to cry because it was so real, I woke up crying. I just thought it was some silly nightmare, so I went back to sleep. The next day was no school, I didn't find out until I went back to school on Tuesday that this event had really happened. When I got to school it was so gloomy, people were crying and talking about some boy that got shot, and than I found out it was him. I freaked and thought maybe I’m going crazy, so ever since than I kept the newspaper article (that has every detail I so vividly remember), not knowing my gut instincts were right to keep it. Considering what I know now about OBEs, I definitely was oblivious to the extent OBEs really are and how life changing they can be.“

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http://www.oberf.org/david_d_obe.htm
"I had learn the Prayer of Centering while on a retreat at a Trappist monastery the prior.  I had been practicing it, but this was the first time I was outdoors engaged in it. I am not sure if the bright sun had something to do with it but I was much deeper in meditation than I had been previously.  I then realized that although I was sitting on the chair on the porch, I was also looking down on myself from above.  It dawned on me that I was "out".  I found that I could move and look around. 
I saw a bright white tunnel and went toward the light.  I could see at the far end "forms" whom I identified as deceased friends and relatives.  At the mouth of the tunnel was a bright white form whom I identified as Christ.  I started to move toward the tunnel, but the Christ-form told me it was not yet my time.  I had the sense that if I did travel down the tunnel I would die, so I turned around. 
I went back to the porch and looked at myself again.  I then heard muted talking inside the building.  The doors were shut, but I tried and realized that I could pass through the closed doors.  Inside was the house treasurer and Superior talking about the budget.  I then left and went back outside. 
I decided to see how far I could go, so I floated to the top of a tall tree that was along the side of the road about 50' from the porch.  I found that I could see far distances very clearly.  Looking around from that vantage point I saw two of the other Brothers walking along the beach which was about a quarter of a mile away.  I went down and floated behind them as they walked.  Although I forget what they were talking about now, at the time I remembered.  I then returned to the porch. 
At this point I knew I had to come out of the meditation.  But I had to struggle a great deal to remerge my spirit with my body.  It was as if my spirit did not want to go back.  Finally, I slowly regained control and came out of the meditation. 
As I opened my eyes, I saw the two Brothers who were walking along the beach enter the driveway.  I asked them if they were walking on the beach talking about what they were talking about.  They said yes, and was wondering how I knew that.  I then went inside and found the treasurer and asked him if he was talking to the Superior about the budget in the room next to the rear porch.  He confirmed this and was upset that I was listening in to their conversation.
Because of the struggle I had to remerge myself frightened me somewhat, I did not attempt that sort of meditation for a number of years."

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http://www.oberf.org/coney_a%27s_obe.htm
"Lying in bed at night.  Felt strange feeling of wanting to float which scared the hell out of me.  Then I said, as a researcher, lets see what happens if I let it go. I floated to the ceiling, saw my wife sleeping and my body.  I left the house, floated above all the cities till I got to a woman friend's house.  No feeling of cold, noise and definitely not a dream.
Stood at the door and thought of opening it when it dawned on me that I could walk right through the door which I did.  In the living room was the mother and father and the woman all watching TV.  No sound just sight.  She was drinking a beer and laughing with family.  I turned and left, floating the 50 some miles back home in a matter of seconds.  At times I was afraid I would not get back to my body, strange feelings.  Then I sat on my body and felt myself going into my body and the floating went away. 
The next day after getting to the work place where the woman and I worked, I asked her; ‘How was the beer you had last night’?  She about fell on the floor and looked like I had shot her.  She asked how did you know?  I proceeded to tell her where the family was sitting and watching a funny show and her laughing but did not tell her how I knew as I wanted her comment.  She said yes and that was the first time in a year and a half that she had drunk a beer. I then told her of my experience.  Two more times this happened and when I had that feeling I willed it to come on faster and it did.
The woman verified what I told her. The second time I asked her to explain what she was doing at a certain time and she proceeded to tell me that she was getting a shower and had the feeling of a presence for a brief time. I then told her I came to visit her again at her apartment to which she had moved since the first experience.  I then handed her a written account of what I saw when the out of body experience happened.  She had to sit down while reading it as she was really flabbergasted at what I saw.  I did get in the shower with her so that explains her ‘presence feeling.’"

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http://www.oberf.org/juan_c%27s_sobe.htm
"I was in college at New York City Tech.  I went to the library to take a nap in between classes.  I was about to fall asleep and thought I might look like a bum just sleeping there.  I grabbed a book from the shelf and put it directly in front of me open.  I put my head down on the table and began to feel the relaxation and peace.  I knew that I was about to have an OBE and decided to let it happen.  I floated up and was looking at the people sitting on the other side of the reading booths.  I then looked down and saw the book.  My first thought was that it would be so cool if I could read while sleeping. 
I started reading the open pages and when I tried to turn to the next pages I wasn't able to.  I thought to myself that it made sense and that I shouldn't be able to do that since it could freak some people out.  I then decided that I should at least memorize that last few words of the page and prove to myself that I wasn't dreaming.  So I did, stated to force myself out of the trance while repeating three words.  I woke up still saying the words and looked at the page to find out that the words matched.  I then read the pages showing and realized that I had already read them.  This is my proof to myself, really never cared if anyone believes me."

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http://www.oberf.org/allan_t%27s_sobe.htm
"I was a mule packer working at the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, transporting food and supplies on mules to Phantom Ranch, located at the bottom of the Canyon. The work was good, but physically demanding. By bedtime I was tired. 
On this particular evening, I laid down in bed with my wife. I was on my back with my right arm raised above me and under my pillow and head. I thought to myself " I can't go to sleep in this position or I will have a crippled right arm in the morning. I realized that I could not feel my right arm at all. I had not been in bed two minutes yet!  I then realized that I could not feel any part of my body. No arms, No legs.  I could not feel the bed, the covers, my head on the pillow, nothing!
That is when I started feeling that sinking floating feeling.  I had felt it before.  It was neat, I always liked it.  The next thing I know is that I am out of my body, outside, somewhere. it was dark, night.  I did not know where I was, but I knew I was not in my body. I even said to myself, "hey, I'm out here cruisin' around" I was floating in the night.
I then saw what appeared to be a light colored trail/road/pathway. I was not sure what it was.  I floated down to take a look at it.  I was earthen.  I tried to take a step and walk on it.  I had no foot, or the foot I thought I had could make no purchase with this ground. This surprised me and I ascended back up in the air. I still knew I was out of my body.  I then floated directly over some multi colored lights that were spaced apart.  I wondered what town I was over. The lights were green, yellow, amber, red, and not in any set pattern.  I had to be a small town I thought.
I then thought " Well I'm out here. Lets go someplace. I didn't know where to go. I then decided to go see my ex wife. I chose this because I thought that would be far away I guess. I didn't really care if I saw her on not.  I was troubled.  I did not know how to go there, or even where it was.  I did not know how to make myself go somewhere!
The next second I saw a golden (I don't know what to call it) connection emitting from a spot in my forehead, curving and bending through space and connecting me with my body.  I quickly flew through space (what a ride) and almost slammed back in my body. Except I didn't slam onto my body.  My re-entry was cushioned at the last instant. 
The next day I had to take more supplies down in to the Canyon, (my job)  I thought about this experience all morning. Did it really happen? I knew it did.  I knew it wasn't a dream.  I had not even gone to sleep when it happened. 
Then it happened.  I was in the Red and Whites, steep switchbacks in the Kiabab Trail.  I could look down on the trail as it crossed the plateau. I realized THAT was the white thing I tried to walk on last night. I was looking at from a much different view but that was it. The trail went across a white limestone on the plateau. I could never see it the way I saw it last night unless I flew over it.  I entered the inner canyon and on to Phantom Ranch. As I rode through the Phantom Ranch camp ground  it was about 7:30 AM. I saw all these tents that campers had erected during the night. Red, yellow, green. I then saw a young man exiting his tent. He had a candle holder in his hand. I noticed another tent had one hanging inside it. I realized that these were the lights in the town that I had drifted over last night.
The time I had gone to bed would have been the time people were getting in their tents and preparing for bed and had lights on in their tents.  That is it.  I would like to do this on command."

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http://www.oberf.org/joe_g%27s_obe.htm
"one night, just like the night before, i was drifting off to sleep in my bed.  this was ten years later and my family had moved to a new home since then.  i remember as i was falling asleep that i had this really heavy feeling about myself; and almost simultaneously as i felt this heaviness, i felt weightless.  i would have to say that that describes how i felt physically throughout the entire experience.  as this feeling came over me, again i could not move or speak.  i started to feel as if i was floating off of my bed just as when i was eight years old.  but this time, i began to start moving against my own will and i could not control where i was moving either.  it wasn't a violent movement, it was smooth and peaceful.  but like i said, i had no control as to where i went.
i remember that i started floating down the stairs from my bedroom loft.  once i was downstairs in the sitting area of my bedroom i did a quick circle around the room and proceeded to my brother's room next door to mine.  i floated above the bunk beds and just sort of looked at them.  i then left the room and floated through the kitchen down the hallway into my mother's room.  i saw her sleeping in bed with the tv still on, and i remember david letterman being on.  as soon as this all had started i was back in bed. once again i was frightened.  this time, i was really shaking so i went down stairs to tell my mom.  i got into her room and eerily there is my mother asleep in bed with the tv still on and david letterman on tv."

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http://www.oberf.org/george_d_sobe.htm
I was in trouble as a youth because of a very difficult childhood, because of this I was in a youth offenders institute.  I was alone in the cell and having a short nap on the bottom bunk-bed.  I suddenly felt wide awake and got to my feet. I had a feeling of well being and normality.  I had no sense of the steel cell door being locked shut, which it actually was at the time, and I just casually walked out into the corridor.  I then walked along the corridor to the main landing and began descending the stairs to the lower levels. 
At this point I could hear voices from the bottom level.  I stopped and peeped over and I clearly saw 2 prison officers in discussion.  The Wing Officer I knew well, but the other who I have called 'Visiting Officer' I had never seen before.   The brief discussion went something like this, although they used my surname: 
Visiting Officer:  "I have come for George, he has a visit."
Wing Officer:  "Its the first time he's had a visit. Who is it?"
Visiting Officer: "His step mother."
Wing Officer:  "Well you had better unlock him then we can get him signed out".  He's in No. 44 on the third landing.
Wing Officer:  "Ok." 
The Wing Officer began climbing the stairs beneath me. At this point I thought two things.  First, that I was actually getting an unexpected visit for the first time, and from my step mother who I didn't get on with very well, this was unusual. Secondly, that I had better get back to my cell or they would think I was escaping.  I hurried back up the stairs and along the corridor to my cell.  As I entered I was shocked to see my body lying asleep on the bottom bunk!  I entered my body with a sudden jerk and sat up so suddenly that I banged my head on the top bunk.  Still smarting from the knock I sat rubbing my head when I heard footsteps approaching along the corridor.  I knew who it was!  The door was unlocked, and the Wing Officer who I just seen and heard half entered, and told me to get ready and that I had a visit. 
I am absolutely certain in every way that I had left my body and that there was nothing unusual or frightening about the experience, apart from when I saw my body sleeping.  I am also certain because of what I had heard and seen, which otherwise would have been quite impossible.

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http://www.oberf.org/chris_f_sobe.htm
I really don't sleep through the night because of incontinence, and got up to go to the bathroom around 2 A.M.  As I got out of bed, and started walking to the bathroom, I noticed something in my bed.  I stopped and looked, and my body was still lying asleep in bed, next to my wife.
I was awake, and knew I wasn't asleep, but I could still see my body lying in bed.  I stood frozen next to myself, not knowing what to do.  I called for my wife, and she responded, telling me to leave her alone she was sleeping.  I asked her to shake me to rouse me and wake me up.  She said, obviously you're awake if we're talking. 
I stood there looking at myself, knowing I wasn't dreaming, and the fact that I had just gotten a response from my wife reassured me that I was awake.
I have sleep apnea, and often mess with my mask while asleep according to my wife.  While I stood there, I watched myself adjust my mask and turn over to reposition myself.  I could hear my teeth grinding, and watched myself put my arm over my wife's side to hold her.
This whole scene was very real, and I know I wasn't sleeping.  I wasn't worried or scared at the time, I was actually very comfortable with what was going on.  I stood there and watched myself sleep for some time, then finally decided to touch myself to see if I would wake up.  When I reached to put my hand on my shoulder, I woke up before I actually touched myself.  When the sleeping me woke up, I was startled.
My wife felt me move, and already stirring because I had called for her, she said would you just go to sleep and leave me alone.  At that point, I realized I was within my body, and no longer watching.  The next morning, my wife expressed frustration that I had called to her and woke her up, and said that I was loud and seemed irritated myself, almost worried.
I told her what happened and she said I was dreaming, and it just felt real.  I know this was not a dream, I was standing next to our bed, and called out her name, and she woke up and responded to me.  She remembered the conversation, however short it may have been, and remembered me jumping, startled as I entered my body again. 

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http://www.oberf.org/connie_d_sobe.htm
"I had brain surgery on 2/24 for treatment of a large intraventricular brain cyst and was under anesthesia for 2 to 3 hours. I had no memory of the experience until the next morning.
The only real "sleep" I had during my 5 days of hospitalization was during the surgery. Being in neuro ICU the night following the surgery, I did not sleep at all. The following morning I saw various scenes in my head when I closed my eyes.
The first one was a close up view of coming out from between my breasts. I opened my eyes not sure why I had that view! The next time I closed my eyes I had a vision of actually entering my brain, what looked like creamy peach color of the brain tissue, and the contours of the brain. I saw the jagged opening of the cyst and actually entering the opening and seeing the perfectly round hole the surgeon made in the cyst! I also saw the pearly blue color of the cyst itself. I drew a picture, as best I could, of what I saw and the surgeon said it was "pretty accurate". He also chuckled when I mentioned the perfectly round hole he made and he verified that."

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http://www.oberf.org/amanda_s_sobe.htm
"It was the mid- afternoon, and I had laid down on the couch to relax and watch some TV.  I felt myself dozing off, and decided to get up and get some housework done before I fell fully asleep.  I opened my eyes, and tried to sit up.  I was able to do so, but it was extremely difficult, like my legs weighed a ton.  After sitting up on the edge of the couch, I sat there for a second and focused on what was on the TV (Maury Povich) I was getting ready to stand up, and looked at the end of the couch and saw that my feet were still there, then looked at the other end and saw the rest of me still sleeping.  I noticed some catsup on my sweatshirt that I was wearing that I was not aware of before I laid down.  I immediately got scared and was afraid that I had somehow died in my sleep, and instinctively laid back down.  I laid there for a few moments with my eyes closed, then got up.  My body was no longer on the couch, and I was awake.  It reminded me of being a child, and memories of 'flying' down the stairs and spying on my parents came to mind.  I believe that this is not the first time that this has happened.  After thinking about the incident for a few moments, I was no longer afraid and tried to lay back down, but was unsuccessful. This has not happened to me since.
Note:  the catsup stain was INDEED there and I realized it after waking, this validated the incident for me."

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http://www.oberf.org/beverly_m_obe.htm
"Just after waking, I was lying in bed in the morning. I began to meditate, since I felt my mind was clear. I heard an increasingly loud buzzing in my ears and the buzzing morphed into a vibration over my entire body. I felt myself separating from my body, I glaced down and saw that I was now had bright lemon yellow body. The dresser mirror was near but I was afraid to look into it. I boobed around a while near the ceiling, then my body knew to assume a sort of swimming position with arms at my side and I was able to "swim" toward the bedroom wall. I found, however, I wasn't able to penetrate the walls, they felt solid. The long window, however, was quite easy to penetrate, I felt the pressure of the glass as I passed through it.
I was anxious to prove to myself that this was a valid experience, so I looked for objects they I could check on in the physical state. Once out the window, I headed for a large tree at the side of the yard. I examined it closely in every detail, but saw nothing unusual. I spotted some broken pieces of a clay pot in the yard then glided back into my bedroom. I attempted to turn on the light switch.  Although I could move the switch to "on" and hear it, the light failed to respond. I then felt a pull at the bottom of my spine which I couldn't resist even though I wanted to stay out of my body. I went back into my body head first and had no after effects. I later went into the yard and the pieces of pot were there as seen in the OOB. I've found that OOBs, for me, require gathering a type of energy that can only be stored via meditation where certain breathing and shutting out of thoughts are essential. I've experienced OOBs where other people/animals and the past and future were involved, they have all been exhilarating and wonderful adventures, nothing negative has ever occurred so far."

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Monroe Institute Forum:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/forum/discussion/537/have-you-ever-had-any-evidence-you-are-not-dreaming/#Item_0
"I went out of body one morning, went outside my house and saw the postman walking towards my house with a parcel, I returned immediately went downstairs and he knocked on the door, he had a parcel for me. I was smiling like Cheshire Cat, I bet he thought I was a little weird lol. Validation is great fun."

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"I saw a small plane while flying in an out-of-body state, and flew around the plane observing it. When I awoke, I heard a small plane, and looked out my window to see what appeared to be the same plane flying over my home. While obe I visited my children who were living with my ex-wife at a location on the other side of town; and the next day verified the events that happened and what my ex-wife was wearing with her the next day."

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Astralvoyage Website:

http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/dailylottery.html
"I know time can be transcended because I have done so on many occasions. But where is the proof? I wanted to prove, if not just to myself, that astral projection was authentic. In order to do this, I decided that winning some form of a lottery, which would be undeniable proof to me, would be in order. My projections basically happen on the weekends when I can sleep in and induce the groggy state. From this state, my attachment to my body is weakened and I can bring on the vibrations more easily when focusing on the third eye. It was snowing and I decided not to go to work. I decided that day that I would try and win the lottery instead (sounds crazy, I know!) I induced the vibrations somewhat easily and left my body. I then asked to go to the future and "see" the lottery numbers. I started looking for news papers so I could read them as this sounded like the intelligent thing to do. I mean, where else would I find them? I finally found a newspaper and was bending down to look at the numbers for the six million dollar lottery when I was abruptly brought back to my body by an interruption. This did not stop me. Because my body's attachment was very lose that morning, I decided to keep trying. I was brought back by various noises and disturbances until my fifth departure. At this point, I was pretty well fed up with the obstacles and didn't even bother for a newspaper. I simply WILLED myself to see the numbers (as I tell people, will power is of paramount importance). I demanded that I see the numbers! Up popped three very clear balls and I thanked my higher self and forced myself awake before I forgot them. Of course, I played them and won. They were the correct numbers, in the correct order on the correct day. This has been pretty much all the proof I have needed that time can be transcended."

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Another Lottery (Near) Winner by Lucid Dreaming:

http://www.skeptiko.com/150-dream-interpretation-a-spiritual-journey-says-lucid-dream-expert-robert-waggoner/
"One time a good friend of mine asked me if I’d ever sought out the lottery numbers while lucid dreaming. That had never occurred to me and I asked him if he had. He said, “Oh yeah,” and he told me what happened. He said he became consciously aware and that he asked for the numbers of the MegaLotto or whatever it was called in his state, to appear when he opened up something. So he opened up a book or something, and he saw six sets of two numbers.
And during the lucid dream he was really excited and he started to memorize them as quickly as he could. So there’s the first number, 26 and the next number is 3 and the next number is 17. And it goes on and on. He said he was really working hard to memorize the set of six two-digit numbers.
When he woke up from the lucid dream he immediately reached for his dream journal and began writing them down as quickly as possible. He says he got the first three exactly right but from then on his memory failed him. He just couldn’t recall the exact order. So a week later when the MegaLotto happened, he said he got the first three exactly right but then the other ones, the order had been goofed up. He’d transposed the numbers as anyone might."

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Etheric Projections / Energy Projections

Another way to prove the veracity of OBEs to oneself is to produce 'raps' or any form of telekinesis in one's own room while in sleep paralysis. This has been accomplished amongst others by Sylvan Muldoon, who wrote about it in his book "The Projection Of The Astral Body". Today, many assume it is the Etheric (1st) Body instead which only emanates the second (Astral) body later on. The Etheric body itself cannot move far from the physical body, but it can do so for a few metres and produce these effects.

Sylvan Muldoon producing 'raps' and telekinesis (click on first link with 'raps')
"In fact I have produced "raps" myself while in this state. I recall very distinctly waking one morning, and finding myself minus my motivity! I reasoned within myself thus: If my motivity is extending outside my body, and I am now conscious, why cannot I will that rap be produced? And I did will with determination that a rap should come on the dresser. The rap was produced! (...) As to moving objects when the astral body itself is projected on the end of the line of force, under certain conditions this can be done, and we shall discuss this later. For the moment, the point I wish to emphasize is this: Motivity can "shift" across the astral body, just as sensitivity can."

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Other forum users of the Astral Pulse forum on raps and telekinetic effects:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_metaphysics/regeneration_is_it_possible-t5040.0.html;msg298127#msg298127
"[T]elekinesis can be done. If you are proficient at projection then try this.
First awakening seconds still not physically aware, create a bond (silver cord) from yourself to say handles on a cabinet. Make sure it is not broken in its length. It should find its own way to the location but it is somewhat erratic in shape. Intend the end of this bond from you to enlarge at the end and with it flap the handles upward, a pattern of raps is ideal. It has a feel to it and you know it's there, also the given purpose you intend it to perform. Then awaken yourself as fast as you can and sit up listening. Within a few seconds the pattern of raps appears and you may jump out of your skin. It needs to be controlled carefully as any fear and things like very heavy cupboards drag themselves around devastating the flooring."

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http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/is_obe_been_proved_scientifically-t37667.0.html;msg308883#msg308883
"I still don't understand why people try to prove OBE's by using their visual sense in the rtz (example card tricks, 5 digit numbers, etc.)
I have moved objects during etheric projections. This is my recommend way to prove OBE's and the rtz are real. If you have difficulties in figuring out how to move objects, you can practice on a psi or chi wheel. There are some good youtube videos showing how. Once you get good on the psi or chi wheel, then you can start practicing moving objects during etheric projections.
In my opinion, etheric projections are about energy. Relying on the visual sense may lead to reality fluctuations. I have moved objects under different etheric states. I'll give one example of me actually moving an object from each etheric state.
1) One etheric state is by expanding your etheric body while it is still in the physical body. This would be an etheric ballooning expansion which makes contact with an object to move it. This has to be done relatively close to the physical body, since the etheric body is technically still attached to the physical body, but it has expanded to make contact with the object. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I was laying in bed on my back and knocked a curtain down off its rail. This scared me a lot, until I realized what I did. I inspected the curtain afterwards to make sure it was a valid experiment. The curtain came down at the exact same moment I willed my etheric energy towards it.
2) The second etheric state is by actually separating your etheric body from your physical body and moving your etheric body to the object. There is no etheric ballooning effect with this type since there is an actual separation of the etheric body from the physical body. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I knocked the toilet bowl cleaner handle apparatus off my shower wall frame. I put it here to allow it to dry before I would store it away. This one I had to pull in etheric matter from the environment to make my separated etheric body denser to allow myself to be able to knock it down. After I knocked it down, I went straight back to my body to confirm this experience was successful."

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